Summary

Key leaders of the “Abandon Harris” movement, which encouraged voters to oppose Kamala Harris due to U.S. support for Israel during the Gaza war, are now expressing unease about Trump’s incoming administration.

Many in the movement, including prominent Muslim leaders, voted for Trump hoping he would bring peace to the Middle East.

However, concerns are growing over his Cabinet picks, such as Mike Huckabee and Tulsi Gabbard, which some see as troubling for Muslim communities.

  • kreskin@lemmy.world
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    I’m not saving the democratic party from its own decline and corruption, no. And you shouldnt either, unless you’re into enablement of this going on within the party forever, or are into murderous warcrimes against innocents. I’m not going to play hostage games set up by centrist bastards. If they want to chart a course for just to the right of Trump, let them lose till they learn. If the cost of this political system existing is tens of thousands of dead innocents blown apart with our direct enablement, then something has to change.

    Only Biden Harris could be indecent and stupid enough to LOSE to a collosally ridiculous and corrupt clown candidate like Trump. Youth, progressive, and muslim votes in key swing states were there for the taking, cheaply even.

    If centrist dems cant be bothered to quite literally follow the law and the very basics of common decency, then the outcomes of a loss are on them-- not the people like me demanding they follow the law. If you think this sort of callous disregard for human life will stay on far flung shores, then you’re mistaken. Biden/Harris brought this war criminal bloodthirst to our shores and normalized ignoring innocents being murdered, on many fronts-- health care, gun control, police, and foreign policy-- and Bidens most recent thuggish innovation, supressing free political speech if it makes an Israel-supporter “uncomfortable”. But up till now it was fine to threaten a literal lynching to a black person if it could be proven to not be a credible threat. I call shenanigns. Until people draw a line around whats too evil to be allowed, let us all suffer trumpism together. The dems lost the plot a long time ago and dont deserve being blindly followed.

    Funny story, I live next to a Japanese buddhist temple who shut down a feed the homeless group’s access to the church kitchen (to assemble and bag meals) because someone in that homeless advocacy group published something critical of the starvation of Palestinian civilians. The temple doesnt even accept any government money, and I’d be surprised if it interacted with Jewish donors in any way. Thats who Americans are now. We arent the land of the free or the brave, and we arent a shining city on a hill. Smell that thuggish repression? I bet you wont acknowledge it, but you know its there.

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        ah yes, the old, “if you dont do exactly what I say the way I say it then you are basically voting for trump” game. Yeah I dont play those dumb centrist hostage games. Cute.

        DNC idiots didnt have to set it up this way but they did. No anger for them eh? Just for the slaves who didnt mind the whip and support the genocide?

        Tell. me, when Harris talked proudly about her glock did you go outside and shoot yours in the air? yeeehaw!!

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          if you dont do exactly what I say the way I say it then you are basically voting for trump

          Welcome to a world where FPTP has managed to create a binary choice, and one option is clearly worse. It’s not even “do what I say” or “voting for trump”, it’s failing to oppose him. Everyone that advocated against voting for Harris is complicit in the damage Trump will do that Harris wouldn’t have. Trans kids, abused spouses, victims of labour safety violations, all their blood will be on the hands of those that said “I don’t care”.

          Like you.

          I dont play those dumb centrist hostage games

          So you’re going to let the hostages die? How noble and enlightened.

          I didn’t set it up. I don’t agree with all of Harris’ views. But the General Election isn’t the place to make that point. Local elections, primaries, protests - great! But for all that it sucks, the General Election is a hostage situation. And unfortunately for the hostages, it’s not a “game”, it’s fucking life-or-death and you found “death” acceptable. Their death, namely.

          No anger for them eh?

          I’ve been plenty angry at them, as I am at all enablers of this fucked-up dilemma. But I can be mad at multiple people for different reasons.

          Just for the slaves who didnt mind the whip and support the genocide?

          Right, and who was the anti-genocide candidate?

          Oh right. Neither. Because this election wasn’t about supporting or opposing genocide.

          It was about all the points in which Trump and Harris are different, all the things you don’t care about, those “hostages”, which you’ll gladly let die for the sake of feeling good about doing nothing.

          You let people die in the name of pretending to save people. That’s the hypocrisy.