Totally unhelpful. You’re talking to an individual who is trying to understand human behavior, not someone who’s personally responsible for their country’s actions.
What better example than from a culture with which they’re intimately familiar? Attitudes like this can be hard to change, even after generations of intense education campaigns. As a German should recognize this from their own experience
The German way they have “dealt with” their fascist legacy isn’t perfect either. They should also unlearn some of that. The tone of the original question is “we beat racism, why can’t you”, making “no you haven’t” absolutely relevant to understanding the problem
The German way they have “dealt with” their fascist legacy isn’t perfect either.
It is far from perfect. The biggest problem is, that at some point the civilians had lost interest in continuing the denazification(idk if that’s the right word/translation). This led to pardoning war criminals and stopping the prosecution of criminals. Later I can make a more detailed explanation about this since I wrote an assignment (partially) about this, but have to search for it and translate it first.
Nice of you to provide such a prime example of lack of education.
Equating current events in Palestine and Israel with the actual Holocaust is absurd.
I’m pretty certain Israel has not industrialized genocide at the level Nazi Germany did, and I’d be very surprised if Israel was exclusively killing Jews. Because those are two fundamental elements of the term Holocaust.
Stop diffusing the meaning of words with very specific meaning like Holocaust.
Also, great job of providing nothing to the actual topic at hand and derailing it with whataboutisms.
The word holocaust has a meaning before The Holocaust. Calling other things a holocaust is not diffusing anything, it’s just using the meaning of the word. Whether the Palestinian genocide can be called a holocaust is arguable, but you’re allowed to call other things holocausts.
When anyone talks about Holocaust these days, it’s reasonable to assume they talk about the one vs the Jews by Nazi Germany. It has gained a special meaning unlike the more generic word genocide, which is perfectly fine for other use cases. The Holocaust was a genocide, not every genocide is a Holocaust.
If you want to go semantic/etymological, calling the current Palestine genocide a Holocaust still makes no sense, as the old Greek holocaust literally means “full incineration”, burning sth so nothing is left. Which makes sense in association with Nazi crematoriums, and its historic use for large fire catastrophes such as whole cities burning down.
It also made - semantically - sense for Neonazis in Germany who called the fire-bombings of German cities by the Allied in WW2 holocausts as well. This also tries to form a link and somehow equate two entirely different things. Both atrocities by modern standards, sure, but at vastly different levels.
(Mis-)appropriating terms to undermine and diffuse their meaning is a simple and effective populist tactic, which is why it’s popular with extremists.
Call a genocide a genocide, call the Holocaust the Holocaust.
The world is full of nuance, not just radicals and extremes.
Yes, that’s why I saw it’s arguable if the Palestinians are suffering a holocaust, because it should mean death by fire, but the Jews also died by various means.
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Totally unhelpful. You’re talking to an individual who is trying to understand human behavior, not someone who’s personally responsible for their country’s actions.
What better example than from a culture with which they’re intimately familiar? Attitudes like this can be hard to change, even after generations of intense education campaigns. As a German should recognize this from their own experience
The German way they have “dealt with” their fascist legacy isn’t perfect either. They should also unlearn some of that. The tone of the original question is “we beat racism, why can’t you”, making “no you haven’t” absolutely relevant to understanding the problem
It is far from perfect. The biggest problem is, that at some point the civilians had lost interest in continuing the denazification(idk if that’s the right word/translation). This led to pardoning war criminals and stopping the prosecution of criminals. Later I can make a more detailed explanation about this since I wrote an assignment (partially) about this, but have to search for it and translate it first.
Nice of you to provide such a prime example of lack of education. Equating current events in Palestine and Israel with the actual Holocaust is absurd. I’m pretty certain Israel has not industrialized genocide at the level Nazi Germany did, and I’d be very surprised if Israel was exclusively killing Jews. Because those are two fundamental elements of the term Holocaust.
Stop diffusing the meaning of words with very specific meaning like Holocaust.
Also, great job of providing nothing to the actual topic at hand and derailing it with whataboutisms.
The word holocaust has a meaning before The Holocaust. Calling other things a holocaust is not diffusing anything, it’s just using the meaning of the word. Whether the Palestinian genocide can be called a holocaust is arguable, but you’re allowed to call other things holocausts.
When anyone talks about Holocaust these days, it’s reasonable to assume they talk about the one vs the Jews by Nazi Germany. It has gained a special meaning unlike the more generic word genocide, which is perfectly fine for other use cases. The Holocaust was a genocide, not every genocide is a Holocaust.
If you want to go semantic/etymological, calling the current Palestine genocide a Holocaust still makes no sense, as the old Greek holocaust literally means “full incineration”, burning sth so nothing is left. Which makes sense in association with Nazi crematoriums, and its historic use for large fire catastrophes such as whole cities burning down.
It also made - semantically - sense for Neonazis in Germany who called the fire-bombings of German cities by the Allied in WW2 holocausts as well. This also tries to form a link and somehow equate two entirely different things. Both atrocities by modern standards, sure, but at vastly different levels.
(Mis-)appropriating terms to undermine and diffuse their meaning is a simple and effective populist tactic, which is why it’s popular with extremists.
Call a genocide a genocide, call the Holocaust the Holocaust.
The world is full of nuance, not just radicals and extremes.
Yes, that’s why I saw it’s arguable if the Palestinians are suffering a holocaust, because it should mean death by fire, but the Jews also died by various means.
The Germans didn’t exclusively kill Jews during the Holocaust.
I’m aware, and I don’t think I claimed that? The by far largest number of victims were Jews, though.