sure, but the difference isn’t maitenance. yet everyone keeps talking like engines are still the unreliable messes they were 50 years ago.
if you want to talk about costs talk about the real difference: fuel cost which are much less. Fuel is also the largest expense after the initial purchase price. I would make most of a car payment just on that difference (and the car is due to be body rust). finding an ev that would replace my ninivan is hard (id.buzi is the only choice and that just came out - I haven’t verified it meets the other requirements though)
An oil change anymore costs at least $50. Alternators fail. Fuel pumps fail. Spark plugs wear, less than they used to, but still. Ignition coils fail. Valve cover gaskets leak. Intake and exhaust manifolds leak (or break themselves). Oil pan gaskets leak. Exhaust rusts. Catalytic converters get stolen. Accessory belts wear out. Timing belts wear out. Air and fuel filters get clogged. There are many more sensors and solenoids in an ICE drivetrain than in an EV.
Yes, the difference in fuel cost is primary and substantial. Again, the article posted is about maintenance/repair costs, and there’s simply not as many things in an EV to fail, or most importantly leak.
What kind of regular maintenance does an EV motor and battery require? Coolant change at 150K miles or 15 years?Edit: Coolant change at 120K then ~24K after that, so four coolant changes.
ICE would need:
Coolant (many times)
Oil (many many times)
Oil filter (many many times)
Timing belt or chain (at least once, possibly twice)
Timing belt tensioner (at least once, possibly twice)
Timing belt idler pulley (at least once)
Water pump (probably)
Various oil seals and gaskets
Spark plugs (twice)
Ignition coils (probably)
Serp belt (likely three or four times)
Serp belt tensioner (at least once)
Edit, more:
Battery (at least twice)
Alternator (probably)
Fuel pump (probably)
Fuel filter (more than once)
Injectors (possibly replace, definitely clean)
What kind of regular maintenance does an EV motor and battery require? Coolant change at 150K miles or 15 years?Edit: Coolant change at 120K then ~24K after that, so four coolant changes.
The motor? Not much. Rest of the car still needs maintenance, brakes, brake fluid, making sure that parts that require grease are greased, tires(way more often than ICE) and don’t use fast chargers or fill your battery to full constantly, also don’t drive or live in extreme weather conditions… basically 90s is extreme and 10* is extreme. These conditions lower the battery life itself.
Coolant (many times)
Huh? Have you ever owned an ICE vehicle? Coolant doesn’t need to be changed but maybe once in 200k miles when you change the water pump.
Oil (many many times) Oil filter (many many times)
Older cars do 6-8k miles per change. New ICE cars can do 30k+ so it’s like 7 times for new cars.
Timing belt or chain (at least once, possibly twice)
If its a chain then no.
Timing belt tensioner (at least once, possibly twice)
Timing belt idler pulley (at least once)
You’re just listing off the same job here. You don’t change this stuff by itself, its part of a TB job.
Water pump (probably)
Same here, pretty much all cars now have the TB running the WP. So you just change it during the TB change.
Various oil seals and gaskets
Uhh? Which are what? I have 300k miles on my 22 year old landcruiser… valve cover gaskets I’ve done once… everything else is still the original stuff.
Spark plugs (twice)
Sure
Ignition coils (probably)
Part of the spark plug job.
Serp belt (likely three or four times)
No. Once.
Serp belt tensioner (at least once)
Same job.
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Battery (at least twice)
Maybe, depends on how shit the battery is.
Alternator (probably)
Nope
Fuel pump (probably)
Not a chance.
Fuel filter (more than once)
Once if that, most don’t need to. Gas is heavily refined and most people aren’t putting dirt into their tanks
sure, but the difference isn’t maitenance. yet everyone keeps talking like engines are still the unreliable messes they were 50 years ago.
if you want to talk about costs talk about the real difference: fuel cost which are much less. Fuel is also the largest expense after the initial purchase price. I would make most of a car payment just on that difference (and the car is due to be body rust). finding an ev that would replace my ninivan is hard (id.buzi is the only choice and that just came out - I haven’t verified it meets the other requirements though)
The article posted is about maintenance costs.
An oil change anymore costs at least $50. Alternators fail. Fuel pumps fail. Spark plugs wear, less than they used to, but still. Ignition coils fail. Valve cover gaskets leak. Intake and exhaust manifolds leak (or break themselves). Oil pan gaskets leak. Exhaust rusts. Catalytic converters get stolen. Accessory belts wear out. Timing belts wear out. Air and fuel filters get clogged. There are many more sensors and solenoids in an ICE drivetrain than in an EV.
Yes, the difference in fuel cost is primary and substantial. Again, the article posted is about maintenance/repair costs, and there’s simply not as many things in an EV to fail, or most importantly leak.
Batteries need to be replaced…and they’re 10-20k…soooo…yea.
Recent EV batteries function fine to at least 200K miles.
Gas motors don’t need to be replaced at 200k miles.
Only if you keep up with all of their maintenance religiously for that time. Maybe.
I mean…that goes for electric cars as well. The mass majority of gas cars do 200k miles easily. I have multiple cars and trucks with 250k+ miles.
What kind of regular maintenance does an EV motor and battery require?
Coolant change at 150K miles or 15 years?Edit: Coolant change at 120K then ~24K after that, so four coolant changes.ICE would need:
Coolant (many times) Oil (many many times) Oil filter (many many times) Timing belt or chain (at least once, possibly twice) Timing belt tensioner (at least once, possibly twice) Timing belt idler pulley (at least once) Water pump (probably) Various oil seals and gaskets Spark plugs (twice) Ignition coils (probably) Serp belt (likely three or four times) Serp belt tensioner (at least once)
Edit, more:
Battery (at least twice) Alternator (probably) Fuel pump (probably) Fuel filter (more than once) Injectors (possibly replace, definitely clean)
The motor? Not much. Rest of the car still needs maintenance, brakes, brake fluid, making sure that parts that require grease are greased, tires(way more often than ICE) and don’t use fast chargers or fill your battery to full constantly, also don’t drive or live in extreme weather conditions… basically 90s is extreme and 10* is extreme. These conditions lower the battery life itself.
Huh? Have you ever owned an ICE vehicle? Coolant doesn’t need to be changed but maybe once in 200k miles when you change the water pump.
Older cars do 6-8k miles per change. New ICE cars can do 30k+ so it’s like 7 times for new cars.
If its a chain then no.
You’re just listing off the same job here. You don’t change this stuff by itself, its part of a TB job.
Same here, pretty much all cars now have the TB running the WP. So you just change it during the TB change.
Uhh? Which are what? I have 300k miles on my 22 year old landcruiser… valve cover gaskets I’ve done once… everything else is still the original stuff.
Sure
Part of the spark plug job.
No. Once.
Same job.
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Battery (at least twice)
Maybe, depends on how shit the battery is.
Nope
Not a chance.
Once if that, most don’t need to. Gas is heavily refined and most people aren’t putting dirt into their tanks
Nope, most injectors will do 200k easily.