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The only conceivable reason not to declassify the docs this old is embarrassment. There should be an automatic sunset for classified docs.
There’s certain secrets which can never be revealed.
Imagine if America somehow caused the death of Queen Elizabeth ( as far as I know there’s no evidence of this just an example.) It would take centuries for it be ok to reveal this with out ruining American English relations. This is intended as just a thought experiment to see how bad a country would take it.
And if you think “Nah they don’t have anything that bad.” The way America has fucked over the world with it’s KNOWN foreign policy… there’s 0 chance that we don’t have many many many skeletons in our closet. I guarantee we’ve assassinated people. Potentially Leaders (no matter what Carter said). I guarantee we’ve interfered with elections, or even fully rigged elections. We’ve probably handed over dangerous weapons to countries. We’ve almost certainly done devastating things to multiple people in the world.
And think of everything we’ve done to our own people. Just think of what we HAVE admitted. The Tuskegee Experiments? That’s what we HAVE admitted to. I’m guarantee as well that’s not the worst thing our government has done to their own citizens. I mean imagine if we find out the FBI threatened the president, or actually did kill Kennedy or even just any involvement in that? Holy shit, there’s “Think something happened” And there’s “Know something happened”… that’s not getting revealed.
Should we have an automatic sunset for classified documents? Sure. Should we stop doing awful shit? Yes. But my god, the amount of skeletons in our closet and what will happen when it’s all out in the open… it won’t be released. Hell I’m willing to bet there’s thing that aren’t even shared with the president (Maybe because he doesn’t know what to ask for or they flat out wouldn’t share it with him. There are limitations to what is shared with a president, for instance an investigation into him.)
Or maybe all classified documents will accidentally be destroyed in a fire the day before they’re to be released. OOPS!
so basically what you’re saying is they should be able to act with impunity no matter what? how about responsibility?
Nice strawman. The gist of their entire comment was summed up nicely when they stated “it won’t be released”
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In terms of superpowers messing up the world with foreign policy- compared to European/Soviet colonialism the US and China have both done well.
with out ruining American English relations
Those relations should be ruined if that happened.
There is. It’s 25 years, unless it falls under some exception.
https://www.archives.gov/declassification/iscap/auto-declass-exemptions.html
or maybe they can’t declassify the documents because they’re all still at trumps house
Actually I heard Biden can still declassify them in his mind and it counts
Much of what is classified is not even classified for political motives but instead because its cheaper and easier to leave something classified. Furthermore, you’re not likely to get punished for not declassifying.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The Democratic congresswoman from New York is part of a delegation of lawmakers who traveled to the capital of Santiago ahead of the 50th anniversary of the coup against President Salvador Allende on Sept. 11, 1973.
The goal of the trip was to “start to change … the relationships between the United States and Chile and the region, Latin America as a whole,” Ocasio-Cortez said outside the Museum of Memory and Human Rights that remembers the victims of the dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet, who ruled from 1973 to 1990.
Ocasio-Cortez said she has introduced legislation to declassify documents related to Chile’s coup and Vallejo said a similar request had been made by the Chilean government.
U.S. Rep. Greg Casar, a Democrat from Texas, said after the delegation’s approximately hourlong visit to the museum in Santiago that it was important to recognize the “truth” that “the United States was involved with the dictatorship and the coup.”
U.S. Rep. Joaquin Castro from Texas said the visit to the museum was a reminder that it was important “to make sure that a tragedy and a horror like this never, ever happens again in Chile or in Latin America or anywhere else around the world.”
Reps. Nydia Velázquez of New York and Maxwell Frost of Florida also traveled to South America as part of the delegation sponsored by the Center for Economic and Policy Research, a Washington-based think tank.
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CIA has her come in. Shows her the documents she walks out and god “NEVER MIND!” and quickly walks away afraid of what she just has seen. A joke… but probably also completely true.
On the other hand it’s completely possible the CIA doesn’t have any documents on their role in the Chilean Coup in 1973… because they chose not to write anything down. (or theirs was planned for 1974)
I don’t think there’s any mystery about what happened. But ya, I doubt they wrote it down.
I was more making a joke.
I’m sure we know the truth, there’s supposed to be a page that’s fully redacted from a couple days before. Wonder why that’s never been shown if there’s nothing to hide. Then again there’s knowing what happened, and having proof of it.
Chile was a canon event. CyberSyn could’ve charted a path away from Climate change. Sigh 😞
In Chile, the U.S. government tried to pacify the country village by village using the Strategic Hamlet Program, basically creating villages where there was no or little socialist influence.
They tried more extreme experiments where they completely isolated villages or groups of villages, allowing absolutely nobody to enter or exit for periods of up to four years.
In some of the villages, people simply starved to death.
In other, more self sufficient villages, the people managed to scrape by.
It was noted that in many of the villages where this technique was tried, messianic or millenarian movements sprang up.
In 16 separate incidences, villages were able to independently invent “flesh interfaces” and “non-electrical portals”, and it was surmised that these villages were being collectively dosed with LSD for long periods of time, and their intellectual mutations allowed for these ‘advances’.
The flesh interfaces were eventually destroyed by Pinochet’s troops at a terrible cost in lives.
super sad story…
but those last two parapgraphs confuse the hell out of me… i tried searching to understand and am much more confused… eli5?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/9MOTHER9HORSE9EYES9
(sorry you took it as a real thing)
That’s not from OP’s linked story. I have no idea where it’s from.
What’s the point? Those responsible politicians and their mass murdering buddies are either dead or way above the law. The public which could and should learn something from this are currently too busy masturbating to war footage and news from Ukraine.
We all already know what the US did in Latin America (and still does)… no need to read something War Criminals and Human Rights Violators didn’t want you to read for 50 years… shove those documents up your ass CIA.
an open, honest government where the declassification of documents is possible and even normalised regardless of how damaging they are for the image of said government is still beneficial for all of us
also, reiterating and proving commonly held beliefs is still beneficial for all of us, same way that actually researching things that everyone already thinks are true is still good
An open and honest government wouldn’t have a need to classify documents… an open and honest government wouldn’t wait 50 years to declassify those same documents. Nothing open or honest about this government either way… These documents are written by the perpetrators anyway…
thats all true to a point, but i still dont see any of it as a reason to actively argue against improvement
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