The threat of rock falls, water contamination and jellyfish have been used to deter visitors from Mallorcan beaches

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    I think it funny that there’s an assumption in this thread that these posters are aimed at U.S. tourists when visitors from the U.K. outnumber the Americans by a factor of six to one.

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      People in this threat also don’t seem to realize how the island of Mallorca is full of foreigners, even some just living there, but nobody speaking Spanish. In fact it’s probably easier to get around with German or English in the touristic parts of Mallorca.

      This is not about some poor US tourist who wasn’t good enough in school back home to learn Spanish. It’s about huge crowds of rowdy UK and German tourists who go to “Malle” every year for partying and getting piss drunk without any consideration of the locals.

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        One time I went to a bar in Mallorca, asked “dos cervezas, por favor” and the guy went: “Was? Zwei bier??”

        It was surreal to realise that nobody there actually spoke any Spanish. Outside of the tourist traps Mallorca still has some authenticity here and there but it’s like the locals just hide in the shadows for the most part.

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    Seems a bit racist and xenophobic to me, not to mention the undermining of the societal trust that is required for warning signs to work at all.

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      Yea especially when tourists often don’t know about the local risks. Warning signs are mostly for people who aren’t from a particular area

      Don’t want a ‘boy who cried wolf’ situation

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      On the flip side tourists are making entire regions unlivable for the natives through exploitation of economical inequality.

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      The latter really jumped out at me. I’ve definitely heard more than once “These careless tourists just ignored the signs!”

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    Hmm. Consider what folks would think if someone put up signs in Spanish and English on a US beach, where the Spanish text had scary (and false) warnings and the English text did not.

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      There isn’t a large influx of Spanish speaking tourists who demand that the locals speak in their language in the US. This is more akin to a shopkeeper blaring speakers with high pitched tones that only teenagers can hear.

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        You’re fucking kidding right? Spanish is the second most spoken language in the US. It is the second largest first language as well. It is the second largest monolingual language.

        I’m all for multiculturalism. I’m an immigrant. But let us not live in a pretend world.

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          What you’ve said is true, but it doesn’t negate my point: the frustration felt by locals dealing with entitled tourists demanding their language be accommodated. The US doesn’t have a similar problem to Spain on that front.

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            Eh… it’s probably not so much that they are demanding their language be spoken…

            More a case of the tourists are probably being dickheads in general and the locals have had enough of their shit. That and the locals would like to be able to enjoy their own beach without having to wade through masses of tourists.

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            The US has the world’s largest spanish speaking country sharing a 2000mile land border from coast to coast with it. Do you think that Mexican’s don’t travel to the America? What is exactly disqualifies the above sentiment from applying to America, vs applying to Spain?

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          You’re so right but we’ve also codified that in the US. We intentionally have no official language and provide our legal and government documents in more than one language. This is a unique quality and knowing the official language is a cultural and legal expectation in many other countries.

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            A little context: There’s more than 40 million native Spanish speakers in the US, whose language has the same legal standing as English. That’s more people than the entire state of California. More than ten million more than Texas.

            Whoever assumes they’re all “illegal” or “unwanted” immigrants should take a moment to reflect on why the cities of California have all these strange names like “Los Angeles” and “San Diego”. They were there before the English speaking. And we all know who were there before them, making the whole “immigrant” argument kind of moot anyway.

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    Under an image of a swimmer surrounded by jellyfish, it reads: “Open beach. Not to jellyfish or foreigners.”

    Another, this one apparently related to a rockfall, points out that there is no landslide but that the danger is due to overcrowding.

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      The “learn a language before traveling” always seemed like gatekeeping to me. I’ve traveled a decent bit, and I would not have had the time to learn a dozen or so languages. Especially when you have to learn entire new writing systems. I’ll learn a little bit while I’m visiting because I’m immersing myself.

      if someone wants to study another language, all power to them. But it shouldn’t be a barrier from experiencing other cultures.

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          Learning a few phrases is not going to help you with the language barrier. Suggestion to become fluent enough for conversation before visiting a foreign country is just absurd lol

          It’s clear that ppl in this thread have never attempted to learn a foreign language as an adult huh

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            And they’ve probably never travelled outside of English speaking counties.

            I’d have to be a genius to speak the language of every country I’ve travelled to, and that’s ignoring the countries that have several distinct and active languages (looking at you, Austria…)

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                I mean learning 2 languages isn’t hard but to learn one spending so much time to get fluent enough to converse just for your one week trip is just stupid on multiple levels

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          I’m not saying you shouldn’t try to learn language while you’re there, I’m saying the requirement of learning before you travel is counterintuitive for wanting people to experience other cultures. I think it’s detrimental to try to force or shame people into learning the language before travel, you’ll end up discouraging people from traveling. They’ll just stay in their own bubble and not experience other cultures.

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          For shits and giggles I’m going to list the countries I’ve travelled to:

          France, Spain, Greece, Austria, Italy, Finland, UAE, Dubai, Qatar, India, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand, China, Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore, Philippines, Palau, Malaysia, Indonesia - then Australia, US and Canada which don’t count for this I guess. I’m possibly missing one or two, I’m tired.

          So, I’m supposed to have learned the language, and respective writing systems, of each of these places before going there?

          I guess I should just quit my job and take up learning language full time…. Either that or just stay at home so that I don’t get ridiculed for being an ignorant tourist.

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          Yeah but that doesn’t really help if you’re planning on going through Europe where if you drive for 7 hours you can interact with three different languages and 5 different cultures. If you’re gracious, polite, and not a pain in the ass you should be able to move through a country without being spit on or treated as less than. Especially on a continent where the majority have some profencisy in English

          Of course this article is specifically talking about English and German tourist. The most loud and obnoxious (English lads) and arrogant (considered the most arrogant in the EU) Germans

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      So you’d be cool with people doing this in Spanish on Texas and Florida beaches right? And I mean people should definitely never travel to a foreign place without a decent grasp of the local language. Not like world exploration is something that can be a life altering experience. Or could help people empathize with different types of culture. Nope. Everyone should stay in their own little bubble. And honestly that applies to states, districts, etc. Hell even towns. Because Alabama and California are super different and have different customs. But even Houston and Austin Texas are way too different to go into each other’s areas without having a firm grasp on local customs. Barcelona and Aragon are so very different that many of them don’t even speak the same language. One of my neighbors and I don’t get along real well. Perhaps we should really only stay in our houses.

      • Franzia
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        No, because in the US we have a different legal and cultural stance on language.

    • Franzia
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      Amazing amount of strawmans saying they need to learn the entire language and not a small amount of it, as you clearly stated.

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      On the topic, what do you recommend to learn another language for a trip. I have one next year and wanna try to be decent

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          Rofl…

          Let me guess… you’re American and ‘travel’ to you is a quick trip across the border

          I’m not sure how many Cambodians are wandering around rural UK, and I’m fairly certain that Duolingo doesn’t have Khmer.

          Guess I’d better cancel my trip.

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              Ahhh it’s a lot easier to learn through immersion if you live there ;)

              (A Brit who has lived in two other countries). I’m well aware of the resources on the internet. I’m also aware of the fact that this issue with the signs has bugger all to do with language barrier and everything to do with the people visiting being ignorant and inconsiderate tourists.

              You are better off brushing up on the culture than you are the language. Simply looking at the sign through your phone camera would automatically translate it for you - yet another internet resource ;)

      • Franzia
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        Immersion. News in target language. Childrens TV in target language. Besides that, any resource. After a month or even two of immersion only and intent listening, begin studying for real. Nit 5 minutes a day but rather 30 minutes. You can reach basic fluency in 6 - 9 months, and then before your trip ensure you learn more specific grammar and vocab in topics you feel you need.

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      How much is “a bit” ? I’ve got the hiragana, the katakana, a few Kanji and all the korewa, sonowa etc grammar rules. Will it be enough to visit Tokyo? No. But the way it works is sometimes a stupid attempt at speaking will trigger the “poor stupid helpless tourist” reaction that gets you help, which you won’t get if you don’t make yourself “vulnerable” as people say today, but do the opposite: implicitly demand that others make themselves vulnerable to you.