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The law isn’t about morality or social good or promoting the general order; it’s about power and who wields it. The law is fundamentally a vehicle through which those who stand atop social hierarchies can command, exploit, and do violence to those less powerful. A CEO can kill tens of thousands of Americans every year with a pen and that isn’t murder: a coal company can poison generations and that isn’t murder: a police department can force homeless people to flee from place to place until they die from exposure and that isn’t murder. The law exists to protect and promote the interests of the powerful, because that is what legal systems are designed to do.
And that’s why we fight back where we can and weaponize what we can; that’s why we use jury nullification in cases like these.
It wasn’t Luigi.
You’re right. In fact, it wasn’t a human at all! It was St. Michael the Archangel himself, personally coming down from on high to smite the wicked and the greedy! It’s not Luigi’s fault that he just happens to look a bit like St. Michael!
Can confirm, was playing couch split screen Madden with him all night. We drank a few beers and he crashed in the spare room
…and believe you me your honor, I am a light sleeper and always wake up when the front door opens and closes in this apartment.
Ultimately, there is a better strategy to jury nullification:
https://beyondcourts.org/sites/default/files/2022-07/Jury-Nullification-Toolkit-English_0.pdf
TL;DR: It is most effective to plant seeds of doubt when reasonable, and legitimate ones. For this particular case, it would be the fact that the eyebrows don’t match between pictures, the police said they had found the backpack in NY only to then say they found him with his backpack at McDonalds, the fact that Luigi claims shit was planted on him and the police have a running history of planting evidence to suit their needs, etc.
You’re absolutely right, I was conflating the manhunt and trial.
The faces don’t match, and keeping the gun would be my reasonable doubt. No reason to keep something you can print again anytime. The police’s history speaks for itself, no verdict
The Justice DepartmentThe Just Us Department
I pledge a grievance to the flag and blah blah blah with liberty for just us not all
*with liberty and justice for some
Source for anyone interested. I was initially confused since New York got rid of the death penalty decades ago, but it’s from a new federal charge I hadn’t seen yet.
As far as I can find they haven’t officially said they’re pursuing the death penalty for this charge just that this charge is eligible for it. I see no other reason for it though.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/dec/19/luigi-mangione-eligible-death-penalty-new-federal-/
Damn. They are genuinely scared shitless by this. They are not pulling any punches either. And there is nothing more dangerous than a group of powerful people who are scared.
This is why the constitution has an amendment about cruel and unusual punishment. But we know that those in power have (decades-) long abandoned the constitution.
I believe the genuine terrorism has been the US gov, and it’s been a long time in the making. They’ve spent generations conditioning us all that it’s somebody else’s dilemma. I hope their fervor to scare us back in line backfires extraordinarily.
Wait. The federal government still has death penalty?
In the US, yes. It’s pretty contentious and hasn’t been used much.
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/state-and-federal-info/federal-death-penalty
Unsurprisingly a large number of them occured under Trump’s administration.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_the_United_States_federal_government
Yeah, that’s why actually charging Trump for the insurrection would be so much of an issue. It would make him an enemy of the state, and anyone who aided him would be considered guilty of treason. The sentence for Treason is life or death. (Life in prison, or the death penalty)
One could argue that giving money to someone is aid … thereby all of the GOP would be guilty of treason… And that would throw us into chaos
Holy shit, that’s serious. Thankfully he’s supposedly rich, so non of this applies to him. Instead he gets another 4 years of insurrection.
Well this time he didn’t need an insurrection, the American people just gave him the job back knowing what he did previously. The fact that no one even tries to say he is a decent person or a good person, and he’s who got picked, says a lot about our population.
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Yeah, threaten millennials and gen z with death… That’ll go the way you think it will.
I think the wrong message will be sent.
The message will be “if you’re going to off a CEO, you might as well include the whole board and any other CEO you can because the punishment is the same.”
“The punishment for one murder is the same as the punishment for several murders is the same as the punishment for looking at the governor funny; It’s just death.” - Civvie11
that’s not justice, though. why should he be punished for something someone else might do?
I’m still trying to figure out where the federal jurisdiction is in a simple murder, it’s not a serial thing, a hate crime, or a crime conducted across state lines. Could the federal government really just be charging anyone with simple murder?
He crossed state lines to do it, so I guess that’s the reason.
Unironically it is due to him using a phone across state lines in order to stalk the CEO first as well as the bus.
That is the flimsiest crap I’ve ever heard. There’s been a problem with stalkers not getting prosecuted for decades and now suddenly they’re so interested they get charges in a matter of days?
The double standard could not be more clear. The people are left to fend for themselves while the federal government uses every tiny scrap of power to defend the wealthy.
yeap, this whole thing seems like a show.
I think they’re trying to charge him for Terrorism.
The state is charging terrorism. The Feds are charging stalking and murder.
It’s because the elite got afraid and they need to set an example now so that the masses don’t get stupit ideas.
Exactly! They’re trying to stop the revolution before it has a chance to start.
So they’re going to make a martyr instead?
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(Verse 1) When the kids hit the floor, but they ask us for more, That’s Amer’ca. When the lives of the poor are ignored by the law, That’s Amer’ca.
(Chorus) Watch them plead, watch them die, while the courts close an eye, That’s Amer’ca. If the rich man falls, then the gallows will call, That’s Amer’ca.
(Verse 2) You can slaughter a class, and they’ll let it all pass, That’s Amer’ca. But for one CEO, they’ll demand death row, That’s Amer’ca.
(Chorus) Where the guilty walk free, and the children just bleed, That’s Amer’ca. If your crime’s against power, you’re gone in an hour, That’s Amer’ca.
(Bridge) It’s a system of lies where the powerless die, And their screams hit the sky, unanswered, denied, That’s Amer’ca.
(Outro) So remember the game, it’s a broken refrain, That’s Amer’ca. When a life’s worth is weighed by the dollars displayed, That’s Amer’ca.
I hope you intended this to be to the tune of “that’s amore” because that’s what happened in my head
That’s what came to my mind for some reason, reading the post.
I wonder if the next shooter, if they survive the attack, will also be paraded around the same way. Hopefully we find out sooner than later.
Some guy in Michigan stabbed his boss to death recently and the answer is no. People actually don’t seem to care at all, even.
The reporting that the guy stabbing is a copycat crime is 100% promoted from the media. He’s some random dude that stabbed his boss. I believe that some are trying to group him into the same category as the UHC shooter, random stuff like this probably happens every day.
I’ve seen people in these very comments claim him as part of their “movement.” I guess we won’t know for sure unless they get interviews or something.
I’m not sure how politically motivated that was. The story I read was he was in a higher level position, in a morning meeting. Quickly left the meeting, showed back up 5 minutes later with a “surgical mask” and stabbed the boss before running off. The boss survived, the guy was probably a run of the mill psycho and probably didn’t put the same amount of thought into it as Luigi did.
They hanged John Brown too.
People keep parroting this statement. I’m so confused because it does not hold up to any scrutiny.
If you think for 5 seconds, school shooters aren’t charged with the death penalty because they overwhelmingly kill themselves or die during the shooting. They are also usually children, which might get them more lenient sentences.
This type of surface level logic just makes the supporting side look bad. There are far better comparisons to draw from
FWIW I’m not advocating for school shooters to get the death penalty.
Critical thinking? In my outragenet?
Lol, walk me to the door on this one:
So you are arguing that because the majority of people that commit this horrific crime are so encumbered by depravity that they kill themselves to avoid facing justice or are too SYMPATHETICALLY VULNERABLE, the proportion of shooters that ever face justice is already very low? Even accepting your argument (assuming that you believe school shooters who face justice are sentenced appropriately), we should see nearly every shooter who faces justice getting the death penalty…
But we don’t. You would be hard-pressed to find any references to school shooters that get sentenced with the death penalty because of how infrequent it is - child or not 🙄.
My man, get some fucking perspective. How did you put it, surface level logic? You know a lot about that, eh?
we should see nearly every shooter who faces justice getting the death penalty
I’m not sure what you mean by this, is this what you believe? I should add that the death penalty is rare to end up being sentenced and that it isn’t justified in every case as well.
I’m saying that the death penalty is already rare, then you need to be at least 18, you need to survive the shooting, and then you need to have a jury mostly unanimously agree to sentence you
Also it’s not like Mangione has been sentenced with the death penalty, these articles are reacting to the possibility of facing charges that could lead to the death penalty, which has been applicable for any other first-degree murder cases, for example killing a single person during a bank robbery
I’m just saying that the comparison is pointless. Complain about him receiving federal charges unusually, sure. But doing this “whataboutism” and referencing school shooters vs the UHC shooter is not well-founded
How many school shooters have been charged with terrorism?
Exactly, complain about the terrorism charge, not the red herring that is "he has the possibility of potentially being charged with the death penalty (as compared to a random other type of shooting?), when that’s something that is a blanket standard possibility for federal murder – A bank robber is probably not as evil as some mass shooters, but one is more eligible for the death penalty, while the mass shooter depends on the state they’re in.
The addition of federal murder and stalking charges is critical. The fact that he will have to be trailed twice for one murder seems excessive
The part you cut out gives the context you are asking for.
I’m not sure what you mean by this, is this what you believe?
Words are hard. I get it. Accepting your argument and assuming you stand behind it… Yes. In your hypothetical world, yes, I do. Was that not your point??? That shooters don’t get perceived as receiving appropriate justice because they die or are ineligible??? is this what you believe?
the death penalty is rare
No shit Sherlock. What do you think the point of the OC was???
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Yes and yes.
There is a sickness in blind faith to hierarchy.
There is fallacy in the belief that things rightfully live above others.
There is madness in the mind who puts such weight of importance on a single individual whom, before his death, most did not know his name.
He was man, not a god, and he had to be shown that.
Crank it up to dozens of CEOs. Apparently if it’s normal, it’s not a problem
The main purpose of law enforcement is to protect property, but their second job is to protect the wealthy. So if someone manages to harm the wealthy, they take that personally.
That certainly explains the difference in how they handle female and male rape victims. Female rape victims are a property crime and male rape victims are beta cucks. This is how they see it.
If they kill him, this is it.
