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    I mean, wasn’t that the original goal of the second amendment? To allow the population to protect themselves from political regimes that want to exploit them? Makes sense that people use their rights to do something good instead of just building a collection is weapons to show of.

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      No, it wasn’t. That’s bullshit the Republicans made up to justify it still applying. It’s about defending the nation from attackers. At the time of writing, militias were the common way militaries were formed for most nations. Only the most prosperous had standing professional armies. The brand new US was not expecting this, so militias were seen as the only way to defend itself. This is no longer true, so the second amendment, which bases itself on this premise, is not valid.

      A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

      I still defend people having the right to own firearms, but I also support restrictions. People should have to be trained in it’s safe operation, maintenance, and storage, for example. They should also have to prove they have a safe place to store it. There are a lot of ways we can still protect people and allow for firearm ownership and usage.

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        I read that to say that the right to bear arms is only so when a well regulated militia is needed to defend a free state. Given that it’s no longer the case, the right to bear arms does not exist- according to the 2nd amendment!

        It’s not void or irrelevant, it has infact predicted and enshrined into law that there is no right to bear arms anymore.

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          Exactly. That seems to be the only reasonable way to read it to me. I don’t know why it’s never been contested on this premise in court.

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        I think you’re forgetting the fact that the founding fathers were revolutionaries. They very obviously felt the need for the people to have the tools to depose a government if necessary. However, they did not foresee the US becoming a superpower, or the extent to which weapons technology has progressed.

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      What I am surprised about is, how united the different political views are in that regard (for now).

      Let’s see how big money carves out some loyalist political pawns from the MAGA crowd by mental gymnastics (something something bootstraps). Listen closely to the Fox-News Spin on this story.

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        It’s the liberals who are getting their panties in a twist over how it’s wrong to murder murderers.

        My own fucking liberal MSM obsessed mother is defending this guy despite the fact that they killed my father. It’s complete and total brainwashing at this point.

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          True, “pull out by the bootstraps” is liberal anti government propaganda in some ways but also often cited by conservatives… idk…

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              Free Market, Opportunities, Make Your own Way,… (without needing help)… that kind of stuff

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                Yes, democrats and republicans are on the same side of that coin. I don’t get your point, and honestly, the fact that you don’t understand how liberals are right wing just shows how brainwashed you are and how suppressed leftist politics are in the US.

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                  Am not in the US.

                  We have “defund everything” liberals as well as “alt right nazis” and the conservative harliners or social Democrats… So all the things…

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            Mainstream media. She’s a boomer who gets all of her news from tv and abhors Fox News and the like.

            I abhor both.