Dated: 2024-12-05. Added: 2024-12-05. Alternate title: “After UnitedHealthcare CEO’s Killing, Americans Express Frustration With Health Insurance Industry”.

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    I have a blatant lack of sympathy for the smug liberal elite at the NYT when the guillotine takes off their heads too

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      I do not understand this phrase. All elites are authoritarians. Explain what a liberal elite is…? Truly what do you mean by that?

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        The Bourgeoisie are the elite in liberal democracies, and liberalism is their ideology. Hence the name “liberal elite”.

        Do not confuse liberalism with progressivism or leftism. It’s dead centrist at the moment.

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          There’s no such thing as liberal elite. If you’re a liberal and you don’t believe in anyone who is elite, it goes against the ideology.

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            You should try explaining this to the liberal elite. They absolutely believe in it.

            Just look at how they talk about people who live in rural areas.

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            Ahistorical nonsense. They don’t believe in a nobility by birth, but they absolutely believe that some people “are just better than others” and who should rule. Its so foundational to the ideology that its written into the US Constitution. Anyone who believes that capitalism is a meritocracy (ie Liberals) believes there should be a liberal elite.

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            Citizen: can we get universal health care?

            GOP: no Dems: no #BLM #LGBTQIA+rights ✊🏻✊🏽✊🏿🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈

            Basically this.

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              I mean I agree with you that happened but also you know there are people in the democratic party who try/are trying. What you’re saying is funny and easy to say but in this conversation it’s just not true.

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        The NYT leans heavily liberal. As does most of the pearly clutching mainstream media.

        Also, slightly unrelated, let’s not forget who published known lies leading to the Iraq war, cheerleaded it and slandered anyone who questioned the WMD narrative. They’ve got ~200k lives on their hands.

        Would be a shame if someone deny delay desposed their CEO.

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          The billionaire owned media…yeah the only thing liberal about the media is the right wing owners screaming about it. There’s no liberal media

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            Liberals love capitalism. They love dropping bombs with rainbow and BLM flags on them. They’re fine with imperialism so long as it’s the first black Indian woman president doing the bombing.

            The NYT is overwhelmingly liberal. They have some conservatives in their editorial staff but the majority are liberals. Most of the MSM is. But all the MSM protect their class interests.

            They protect their socioeconomic class at the expense of the working class. They are the servants of the billionaires. The republicans are no better, that goes without saying.

            Liberalism is a right wing ideology. You’ve almost got the point.

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              You are extremely twisted up.

              Liberalism is not right wing, and what you’re talking about is neoliberalism. Which is different.

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                Overton window around here is so far right you think you’re the one correcting him… Fuck damn.

                Compared to monarchy/fascism, liberalism is farther towards the center but it does not often cross that line.

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                  Hahaha imagine being this arrogant and immediately shooting yourself in the foot.

                  No Liberalism is left leaning. It is a center ideology 100% but liberalism is left leaning. The concept of liberalism literally became in existence opposite of a monarchy right wing style, placing it to the left.

                  Now since then the term liberalism has been abused especially in the US but you live in a world that was ruled by kings and still is in many ways. But you think globally that means liberals are right leaning?? Outside of your mind.

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                    In our day and age liberalism is center right. It was left wing back in Napoleonic times. But its post-cold war now. Capitalism and thoroughly replaced feudalism.

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                No. You’re completely wrong. Liberalism is a right wing ideology. Neoliberalism is even further right. The entire US political spectrum save for a tiny handful of elected officials (Bernie and the squad, most of whom are centrists at best) are right wing to fascist.

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                    You’re talking about the social politics of liberalism? Typically people will use more of a compass to better describe the intersection between social and fiscal policies. Fiscal is the left to right, Liberty is the bottom to top, and some even add a Z axis for progressive vs regressive.

                    While there are different flavors, American liberalism is considered right of center on fiscal policy but less authoritarian on more personal freedoms than conservative views. Ie: both support big business, but liberals are more okay if you’re LGBT+.

                    Excerpt from Wikipedia about classical liberalism: “In the context of American politics, “classical liberalism” may be described as “fiscally conservative” and “socially liberal”.[55] Despite this, classical liberals tend to reject the right’s higher tolerance for economic protectionism and the left’s inclination for collective group rights due to classical liberalism’s central principle of individualism.[56] Additionally, in the United States, classical liberalism is considered closely tied to, or synonymous with, American libertarianism.”

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            You seem to have some completely backwards idea that liberals are anti-billionaire socialists when liberalism is pro-capitalism by definition. NY Times is the mouthpiece of american liberalism.