Wayland and audio is fixed, but only on the canary branch for the moment, this isnt lazy either, they changed the whole screenshare flow to suit linux’s permission prompts

  • tiramichu@lemm.ee
    171·
    1 month ago

    I was almost convinced they were keeping this broken on purpose, it’s been broken so long. Like, years long.

    It was broken so long I honestly wouldn’t have been surprised if news surfaced that Discord was taking back-handers from Microsoft under the table to keep it broken. With steam working so well on Linux now, broken discord streaming without actual working audio share was one of the last things that posed a hurdle for gamers ditching Windows.

    (In the meantime, thank you Vesktop for your service <3)

    • Blisterexe@lemmy.zipOP
      64·
      1 month ago

      I saw something from a discord dev (can’t find it, so grain of salt) about how there was interest recently to do it, but they’d have to work on other stuff that affected everyone first, and they’d probably get it done by q4 2024, guess they were right.

      I think before then the whole linux graphics and audio space hadn’t really stabilized enough for them to be interested.

    • deadcream@sopuli.xyz
      27·
      1 month ago

      It was broken so long I honestly wouldn’t have been surprised if news surfaced that Discord was taking back-handers from Microsoft under the table to keep it broken.

      Tech companies are fully capable of being lazy for free. Fixing this takes dev time from other work that brings Discord money so doing this costs them, especially considering that Linux userbase must be rather tiny. 99% of software companies don’t give a shit about making quality product and will always try their hardest to do as little work as possible while making as much money as possible. If fixing a bug will cost them more than potential profits from making it work then they won’t fix it.

      • tiramichu@lemm.ee
        4·
        1 month ago

        You’re right of course, it’s definitely down to simple lack of incentive, rather than some kind of conspiracy. But the conspiracy was a fun shower thought! :)

    • kuneho@lemmy.world
      11·
      1 month ago

      You give them too much credit. It’s just shitty, that’s it.

      Discord is pretty much broken on all platform. It always was. There’s just no real alternative unfortunately.

        • lorty@lemmy.ml
          3·
          1 month ago

          If Twitter is any indication, Discord would have to fuck up big, and for a long time for people to switch.

          • dino@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            2·
            1 month ago

            I agree, but working on an alternative an cultivating it could be a good start. Look at mastodon or lemmy.

          • dino@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            2·
            1 month ago

            We would have to sit down and actually think what an opensource solution can achieve and how it gets traction. Also from the get go it should be clear that there will be no feature parity between it and discord. If it was me, I would cut out the whole chatroom functionality, leave private messaging in, use threaded conversations as a standard and but a decent videocall system on top. But this would be my version of it, other people have other needs.

            For the video call system you would not have to reinvent the wheel, use something existing like Jitsi (?) or alternatives. Then you would

            Maybe the best bet is to look at matrix and wrench out the chatroom focus and replace it with threads?

              • dino@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
                2·
                1 month ago

                Not in my bubble, chats create insurmountable loads of noise. By focusing on threads you get the discussion much more focused and streamlined. Example: Most of my discords are ttrpg related, where with the usage of bots games are scheduled. Or where discussion are happening around certain ttrpg systems.

                I agree that a lot of discord servers focus on chat rooms. But you could retain that by simply having 1-2 chatrooms per server and structure/direct conversations to dedicated threads/voice chats instead.

                Again this is just MY view. I am totally aware that other people, use it differently.

                • Blisterexe@lemmy.zipOP
                  2·
                  1 month ago

                  that’s a totally fair view, and the people at matrix seem to agree because it has threading, seems to be the kind you like, too

          • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
            2·
            1 month ago

            I wouldn’t say discord is either of those things

            They need to limit server sizes, get rid of community searching, and add #XXXX to the end of usernames before we can pretend that

        • Mactan@lemmy.ml
          6·
          1 month ago

          I so wish there was matrix protocol for voice rooms and a good reference implementation but sadly there are neither

          • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
            3·
            1 month ago

            How long has it been since you used element/matrix? Serious question because the new element call stack is now finally released in element stable, as of a few patches ago. (It still only shows up as the “video rooms” feature that u have to enable in the labs/beta settings)

            Its much cleaner than before and properly supports screensharing, adjusting individual user volumes and more. The previous jitsi based voice rooms were somewhat lacking i admit but they have been functional for years.

            That was the last thing that kind of kept me from fully endorsing matrix but now it does all that really important stuff. The new mobile ElementX client also supports the new call system but its overall lacking compared to the normal mobile client which does not support it.

            But for desktop use i dont have any complains anymore about matrix really.

            • Mactan@lemmy.ml
              1·
              1 month ago

              not that I dig into it very far but I check maybe once a year to find out if any of the features I want made it into matrix protocol yet and they always seem stalled

        • HATEFISH@midwest.social
          3·
          1 month ago

          No screen share and there seems to be a reluctance to add/address requests for it. They add that and I can get my whole community to switch. Until then it’s not happening.

      • GHiLA@sh.itjust.works
        36·
        1 month ago

        Centralized social media. Poison of the masses. If they control the pullpit, they control the congregation. Tale as old as time.

      • onlooker@lemmy.ml
        24·
        1 month ago

        The founder’s shady history with OpenFeint, their entire privacy policy and shit like this, take your pick. Wikipedia also has an entire section dedicated to Discord’s controversies. No matter how you look at it, Discord has a great many shortcomings.

        • hobbsc@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
          4·
          1 month ago

          i agree with your points but wanted to mention that binding arbitration is bullshittery that most large companies do by default these days. sign a cell phone contract, streaming/cable service, utility bill, whatever. there’s probably an arbitration clause right in the fine print.

        • .Donuts@lemmy.world
          11·
          1 month ago

          These articles are very old and not super relevant any more. Sources of 2018 and 2019, while a lot has changed over the years.

          I’m not here to “defend” Discord and pretend it’s all gravy, but if you want to make a compelling argument, I think it’s a good idea to stick to current, factual information.

          • index@sh.itjust.works
            6·
            1 month ago

            These articles are very old and not super relevant any more. Sources of 2018 and 2019, while a lot has changed over the years.

            Did you even read them? They changed for worst all the points remain.

            • .Donuts@lemmy.world
              7·
              1 month ago

              Which got worse? Feel free to show me an example. I’ll try to investigate and find out its merits.

              It must be said that that site also considers browsers like Firefox and Vivaldi to be at a high level of being spyware. I think it’s important to understand that Discord doesn’t do things much differently than other platforms, other than not having any 3rd party ads.

                • .Donuts@lemmy.world
                  17·
                  1 month ago

                  You see a couple of orange lines. You think, well that’s okay, it’s up most of the time? This isn’t helpful. Discord needs to be up all of the time if it wants me to take it seriously. I understand that writing code is hard, and I’m aware that I sound demanding here, but I just cannot adopt Discord for communicating if I cannot rely on it to be available when I need it now. If it’s down for half an hour, that’s not a long time in the big picture, but it’s a long time in the moment when I have a message that I need to send right then.

                  (emphasis mine). Ah yes, another blog by a user that thinks everything revolves around their experience.

                  I would love to act in good faith, but you’re not making it easy linking this drivel. Because I don’t want to make you feel like I’m fishing for sources, let me expand some points in the original link to talk about:

                  Discord contains features which allow integration with other spyware platforms

                  Discord contains the opt-in spyware feature known as “social media integration.” This allows you to sync your persistent user identity on Discord with your persistent user identity on other spyware platforms, such as Facebook and Twitter. In its privacy policy[1], Discord has confirmed that if you opt in to this spyware feature, Discord will obtain an undisclosed amount of access to information obtained about you by the spyware platforms that you choose to sync with.

                  Ah yes, very scary. Connecting your account with other platforms to show your profile.

                  Discord uses its process logging for advertising

                  That the process logging features of Discord are now being recorded on Discord’s servers as a form of telemetry (spyware), and removes speculation about why this feature exists. It is clarified by Discord that this spyware feature is used for advertising to its users.[8] This means that Discord is recording the programs you have open to build a statistical model of what programs you might buy/license in the future.

                  The “advertising” in question:

                  We use certain information to personalize our services. This includes features like customizing your experience on our discovery surfaces, highlighting activity on Discord that may interest you, and surfacing Discord features and promotions from us and our partners that may be of interest to you. For example, we may use information about who you interact with to rank a Friend who you interact with often higher in the “Active Now” section of your Friends List.

                  Discord tries to force some users to give their Telephone numbers

                  Discord will lock users out of its service and will not allow them to continue using it without giving their phone number or contacting Discord support. This is especially true for TOR users. This kind of feature is designed to extract very personal information out of its users (phone numbers). The criteria for locking out users isn’t known

                  Usually this is a server (community) - side setting, but Discord also forces it when they think you are a spammer or malicious actor. Pretending it’s to collect phone number is a bit out there. Also, 2FA has been a thing since forever.

                  Lastly, there’s probably the argument of selling our personal data:

                  We don’t sell your personal information. Our business is based on subscriptions and paid products, not from selling your personal information to third parties.

                  We make money from paid subscriptions and the sale of digital (and sometimes physical) goods, not from selling your personal information to third parties.

                  We do not sell the personal data of our users or share personal data for targeted advertising purposes.

                  No sale or “share” of personal information: The CCPA sets forth certain obligations for businesses that sell or “share” personal information. We do not sell or share the personal information of our users as defined in the CCPA.

                  This is a legal document that they will get in trouble for if they were lying. They’ve already been fined hundreds of thousands of euros for GDPR violations but that curiously did not include a fine for “took people’s personal information and then sold them without consent whilst explicitly saying they didn’t do that”

                  Discord further has no third party advertisements which they can use to “sell” your data by allowing those advertisements to target you.

  • Flatfire@lemmy.ca
    48·
    1 month ago

    Oh my fuck, finally. Good lord Discord, only took you eons to get that working with Wayland after you broke it.

    I get that there’s other things like Discord out there, but nothing works like Discord.

      • Flatfire@lemmy.ca
        13·
        1 month ago

        Not if I want calling, video chat, screen sharing and role based chat rooms all in the same place. I’ve explored this, but it just isn’t feature complete enough at the moment. I’d definitely describe myself as a Discord power user and Matrix just doesn’t manage it.

        • index@sh.itjust.works
          2·
          1 month ago

          Calls and video chats works just fine in matrix and client like element allow you to integrate other services if you don’t like the default ones.

          I’d definitely describe myself as a Discord power user

          You sound a lot like someone who use windows. We are on a linux sub.

          • Flatfire@lemmy.ca
            10·
            1 month ago

            I am a Linux user. Bizarre assumption to make given my excitement over a Wayland specific Discord feature. But I don’t have any actual qualms with how Discord implements its own services. Matrix just doesn’t fit the bill for me. If you enjoy it, and it suits your needs then all the power to you. It just isn’t what works for me.

      • priapus@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        1·
        1 month ago

        Matrix does not have the features of Discord. It’s far closer to a Telegram alternative. It doesn’t even have voice channels, a very basic requirement for a Discord alternative.

      • AnAmericanPotato@programming.devEnglish
        22·
        1 month ago

        It doesn’t really matter if they do or don’t. What matters is that they can change their TOS at any time, they keep an archive of all historical data, and you will have pretty much no recourse no matter what they decide to do with it in the future.

        Who knows what will happen to Discord in five or ten years?

        They might get bought by a narcissistic billionaire.

        They might sell all their data to Google for training AI.

        They might go bankrupt and sell off their assets to the highest bidder.

        They might have an IPO and begin the usual value extraction at the expense of their users.

        I know, I know…crazy ideas, right? When has anything like that ever happened?!

        • Blisterexe@lemmy.zipOP
          4·
          1 month ago

          i think you’re totally right, i just dont like people saying theyre doing it right now.

          Frankly i think we should use matrix instead, but it just isnt good enough yet

          • AnAmericanPotato@programming.devEnglish
            2·
            30 days ago

            Yeah, Matrix is a very, very hard sell. I mean, “normal” people (for lack of a better term) are put off by Mastodon, and Matrix is a hundred times more complicated to join. I’m also not sure what it would look like to use Matrix the way I use Discord. Perhaps there is functionality in Element/Matrix I have never explored since I use it more for messaging and group chat, not for communities with multiple channels like IRC/Discord/Slack.

            In any case, Discord is too entrenched to be replaced by something that is merely technically superior, or even more user-friendly. Realistically, you can’t migrate entire communities if they’re bigger than a tight-knit IRL friend group, and even that is hard. That seems to be the only reason X still exists.

          • AnAmericanPotato@programming.devEnglish
            1·
            30 days ago

            Almost, yeah. Certainly the big corps.

            This is why I strongly favor services that use end-to-end encryption or do not store history in the first place.

            There are not many times when I’ve needed to search back through history on a Discord server, and every time I have I thought to myself “this would be much better on any platform besides Discord”. Discord would, IMHO, be a better product if they did not retain history forever.

            Ditto for Slack. Slack has the additional gall to limit access to that data unless you pay for a premium plan, despite the fact that they keep the data forever regardless (as evidenced by their occasional free trials which magically bring all history back, and some search tricks you can use to access old posts regardless).

            Both Slack and Discord have lulled their user base into a false sense of privacy. Nothing you post there should be considered private.

  • Jeena@piefed.jeena.netEnglish
    32·
    1 month ago

    I like their UX, the button doesn’t say “Share screen” but “Make Selection”. On Element my dad every time has such a hard time to share the screen because even though he did it already a hundred times, he presses the share screen button and then waits, without choosing which window or screen to share.

    • Blisterexe@lemmy.zipOP
      16·
      1 month ago

      you first click the “share screen” button, then it asks if you want to share a device, screen or window, then it shows you that screen, that summons a permission prompt tailored to what you selected recently.

      I agree it’s quite nice

      • sntx@lemm.ee
        14·
        1 month ago

        Sent by me:

        Dear Discord Privacy Team!

        I’m writing to you to inform you that your platform (mobile, desktop, browser) can enforce the user to verify their account with a phone number, after the user has changed their E-Mail adress. This is a serios privacy problem! I’d like you to verify that you don’t intend on providing other (more privacy friendly) means of account verification apart from providing the phone number. I suddenly cannot use my Discord account due to this and I object to providing a phone number.

        Kind regards, ~sntx

        Their answer:

        Discord Privacy Team (Discord Support)

        Hi there,

        Thanks for reaching out to us. Unfortunately, we aren’t able to assist you here. This channel is reserved for privacy questions and requests.

        It looks like this is a question for our Customer Support team. We recommend that you resubmit your request and choose the appropriate reporting option. You can do so here: […].

        In the meantime you can check out our Help Center for more info on everything Discord.

        We appreciate your understanding.

        Sincerely, Discord Privacy Team

        • DacoTaco@lemmy.world
          24·
          1 month ago

          But its a server setting to need phone verification. Im on a ton of servers and never provided them my phone number. One server changed access rights manually for my username because i refused to give discord my phone number when they enabled the verification requirement haha.
          Also, their response is terrible haha

      • Faresh@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        1 month ago

        It isn’t just a server thing. Discord can request a phone number from you if they think something unusual is happening. Trying to create an account while using tor will make them ask for a phone number, and they reject those numbers offered by shared number services.

        • DacoTaco@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 month ago

          Fair enough, but then you are kinda asking for it if youre doing fishy shit. They need, and i do mean need, to somehow verify the actions being done are from a normal user and not a botnet or other fishy activity…

  • jonesy@aussie.zone
    18·
    1 month ago

    Just installed Canary on my system to test this, and while it’s a little janky and the hardware acceleration seems to stop other apps using the GPU at the same time this is still good enough I think I can finally move to Linux as my main OS. I assume this will get polished further in the future. Great stuff though.

      • jonesy@aussie.zone
        5·
        1 month ago

        Pretty much! Never saw anything that said the browser client worked on Linux, but last time I tried the discord browser client it was pretty rubbish as well.

        • flubba86@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 month ago

          As someone who only occasionally uses Discord, I honestly didn’t even know they had a desktop version of their app. I’ve always used it in the browser. Why do they even have a desktop version of their webapp?

          • boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
            3·
            1 month ago

            The desktop version uses Electron, a shitty Chromium + Node.js framework for devs that really only want javascript and web tech

          • vintageballs@feddit.orgDeutsch
            2·
            1 month ago

            Integration at a level a browser can’t offer. Most importantly, imo, a browser can’t bind global keyboard shortcuts for websites. So push to talk, mute keybinds, … don’t work in the browser version.