What they’re going to learn is that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans care if their families eat, and next election, it’ll be 25 million who decide not to vote instead of ten, like it was this time around.
wow. a more accurate maga symbol.
Unions didn’t learn their lesson when they voted Reagan. They won’t learn their lesson when they voted Trump. I hate to say this but they’re tradesmen and not necessarily critical thinkers.
Racism is stronger than unions it’s what that means
Right, everyone could use a healthy dose of NPR right now. Russia absolutely beat the USA in the Misinformation War.
There was a house like that at a town near us that has a cafe my daughter likes to go to. A giant Trump flag, a Trump banner on both porch railings, and a “Proud Union Home” sign in the yard. Made me shake my head every time I saw it.
I’m a school bus driver and we’re all members of the Teamsters. Most of my coworkers are fanatical trumpers - in their universe it’s the GOP who are pro-union and the liberals who are trying to destroy unions (and help the illegal immigrants). A few of the most fanatical trumpers are (married) lesbians as well. Dealing with conservatives has always been a frustrating experience, but at least they used to be internally consistent with their shit. This complete disconnect from all aspects of reality seems like the one truly new part of all this.
Yeah, the V6 in those traverse are garbage. Sooner or later that timing chain is going to let go and ruin your whole week.
Yeaaaah hopefully my wifes 2013 keeps up till my car is paid off. Just replaced my 2008 with a 2021.
Thought i heard to replace the chain they have to rip out the engine to replace that….
The fact that both of those bumper stickers are on that car shows how much the Democratic Party has failed the working class
They busted a union strike
Not failed the working class, but failed to communicate with the working class.
“I’m a fascist and a right-libertarian and pro-union.” The only positive takeaway I have from this is that some people are so uninformed (or overinformed but with no ability to think critically) that they make these choices – and thus education and outreach may still yet save us.
I hate to say it but dismissing these people like that is how the Dems got here.
This is someone who wants things to be better. They’re pro-union because they want someone to fight for their rights. And they’re pro-Trump because all four years of the Dems has done for them is make prices higher. The Dems have been crowing about how the economy is doing better than ever, but for people like this it’s not. GDP and the Fortune 500 being up is great for investors, but it’s not great for an average worker. For an average worker, things are worse than ever.
They don’t know that much about what Trump stands for, but they know he stands for “something other than this.” And for these people - for the vast majority of people today - “this” isn’t working.
The Dems need to reach voters like this, and they absolutely can. These people aren’t for fascism, they just don’t believe that that’s what they’re voting for. They believe they’re voting for change, and Trump is the only person offering them change. What the Dems offered them was “more of the same”, and that’s not an appealing offer to people who are drowning.
My dude you are not wrong - but how do you talk to these people about policy nuances and compromise to get things done if THEY’RE the ones being dismissive about things and rejecting objective reality? I get that they’re not doing well. That doesn’t mean that anyone (including Trump) can wave a magic wand and make things better. It seems to me the only way to win these voters over is to play the Republican game - get your own propaganda arm for your political party and yell and lie louder than the Republicans.
You’re skipping right past the really simple thing that so few of the Dems; tell them that they’re right.
These people are hurting, and both Harris and Biden simply told them “No you’re not, look how high the NASDAQ is.”
That’s a bullshit way to treat someone when they’re struggling and asking for help. The simplest thing to do is just to say “Yes, you’re right, shit fucking sucks and we need to make it better.”
That’s why people love Bernie. That’s why there’s such a huge crossover in people who voted for Trump and people who voted for AOC. Cortez doesn’t bullshit people. She knows they’re hurting, she knows they’re poorer now than they were four years ago and she says it.
This is what Bernie means when he says the Dems have abandoned the working class. The crazy part is, Biden was actually great for unions. The NLRB under his tenure oversaw one of the largest expansions in union membership in US history. But instead of talking about that they talked about how great people’s fucking investment portfolios are doing. That doesn’t mean shit to people who can’t afford a fucking investment portfolio.
Before they worry about selling people on the details of the plan, the Dems could start by just addressing their problems, instead of telling them they don’t have any problems.
Nothing counter indicative with libertarian and union. Unions allow more equal negotiating power with business/capital when government is limited in scope. People should be allowed to decide if they want to unionize for themselves though, without coercion from capital and with protections to be allowed to do so.
Libertarians should also be requesting government do it’s job and crush monopolies and enforce the regulations that keep the “free market” both free and level for all participants, and the right-libertarians are mostly actually theocratic feudalists masquerading as libertarian these days.
That’s why I specified right-libertarian. I think basically all left-libertarians recognize the need for workers’ unions. The problem with right-libertarians here is that they see the union itself and the kinds of government regulation that lets those unions be effective as the entities “treading on” them.
In complete agreement, but would point out that for some (maybe many) center- and right-libertarians they see the graft and waste that the post-labor rights boom era as analogous to tyrannical government due to many nuggets of truth. Labor isn’t immune to corruption any more than capital is, and capital took massive advantage in demonizing unions because of actual flaws to exaggerate.
Police unions getting bad cops rehired and back on the streets has similar analogs in the biggest labor unions. Public sector unions probably shouldn’t exist, and police unions definitely shouldn’t, and some people continue that line of thinking into private sector labor unions.
Any organization of a sufficient size will suffer inefficiencies and exploitation, so any union large enough to bargain with a monopoly will end up just as bloated and corruptible. The obvious solution (as I see it) is to break the monopolies into reasonable sizes so the unions are also manageable and accountable, so capital can’t use such effective whataboutisms.
I wish they were capable of learning.
Tread harder, Daddy
Learn? Lol
I’m not sure a single union endorsed Trump.
Steamfitters, steel, and police unions endorsed trump. Mostly police. Steelworkers and steamfitters were the local, not the entire org.
Oh, well cops, I should have assumed. I wonder what the reasoning behind the others were.
I believe both were about inflation (caused by Trump/Covid but they dont understand that) and immigratation (thinking illegal immigrants are taking their work - they aren’t, companies who pay illegal immigrants drastically lower rates do by under bidding projects).
In short, ignorance.
The Teamsters president didn’t endorse anyone, but spoke at the RNC. That’s likely the reason they got a reasonable Labor Secretary.
this hurts me
Amazing
