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    Before 9/11 they had banned poppy cultivation. After America leaves, they ban poppy cultivation. During the occupation, lots of poppies are cultivated and processed into opium.

    America consumes 80% of the world opium supply on average.

    What conclusion do these facts support?

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      What conclusion do these facts support?

      that you will draw biased conclusions and assert them free of any factual evidence to back them up.

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        You said American blame for poppy production during the occupation isn’t supported by the facts.

        I restated those facts and asked what conclusion they do support.

        So did the occupation increase opium production on purpose or just turn a blind eye to it?

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          You said American blame for poppy production during the occupation isn’t supported by the facts.

          I didn’t claim that. but I’d like to see what I did say that you somehow twisted into that.

          I restated those facts and asked what conclusion they do support.

          you stated something and jumped to a conclusion you wanted, with zero facts to back it up.

          So did the occupation increase opium production on purpose or just turn a blind eye to it?

          here’s the staw man and association fallacies again— The US did not go there for this reason, which is the original assertion— so none of this is relevant. You’re trying to prove a point that has nothing to do with the argument of WHY the US was eve there which had nothing to do with opium. It was just one of many things the US concerned itself with once it was there. Like building schools. We didn’t go there to do that, either, but we happened to do it while we were there.

          are you capable of speaking in anything other than 100% logical fallacy?

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            You, in this post:

            twisting yourself into knots just to blame the US is absurd and not supported by the facts.

            So what conclusion do the facts support if not that the us is to blame for opium production during the occupation?

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              So what conclusion do the facts support

              I’m not here to draw conclusions, just to present the facts (and object to when my words are twisted, when logical fallacies are used to argue against the facts, etc.), which is all I have done.

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                Suggesting someone needs to twist themselves up in knots to blame the us for opium production during the occupation implies that the United States isn’t clearly responsible for opium production during the occupation.

                Unless theres another reason someone would have to twist themselves up in knots to get there, of course.

                That’s a conclusion. Now I’m not trying to get a gotcha or own or something here. I understand that sometimes when you get to talkin about something you might say things you don’t mean to. My question is how’d you get there?

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                  Suggesting someone needs to twist themselves up in knots to blame the us for opium production during the occupation implies that the United States isn’t clearly responsible for opium production during the occupation.

                  had someone actually made such a suggestion, that would be interesting. when and where did that happen?

                  Unless theres another reason someone would have to twist themselves up in knots to get there, of course

                  I’m not here to speculate.

                  That’s a conclusion

                  ok, goodbye!

                  I understand that sometimes when you get to talkin about something you might say things you don’t mean to.

                  I understand, and if you wish to apologize for twisting the things I said to try to win an argument, I’ll forgive you.

                  My question is how’d you get there?

                  probably the same way you did; using a web browser.

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                    had someone actually made such a suggestion, that would be interesting. when and where did that happen?

                    Allow me to repeat myself:

                    You, in this post:

                    twisting yourself into knots just to blame the US is absurd and not supported by the facts.

                    So, how’d you come to the conclusion that the us isn’t to blame for opium production during its occupation of Afghanistan?