Maybe Israel/US can’t beat Iran.

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    LMAO, “Russia now beat them in peer warfare”. How long has Russia been trying to fight and losing against a small country with basically no military budget?

    This article is WHACK. Even if it was true-ish it misses love key point. The US Military industrial complex is MASSIVE. In a real conflict, it can easily pivot to more effective technologies, especially if they’re cheap and Iran has “basically open sourced them”.

    I’m no US fanboy, but to call the US Military weaker than Russia after what we’ve seen of colonialist behaviour on both sides in the last 25 years, you’d have to be completely off your gourd.

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      How long has Russia been trying to fight and losing against a small country with basically no military budget?

      There is a war of attrition in which Russia is winning by most important measure of gaining vs losing territory. It has equipment superiority over Western backed Ukraine. Production capacity that is higher than the west.

      The US Military industrial complex is MASSIVE. In a real conflict, it can easily pivot to more effective technologies

      While massive, it is extremely wasteful, and the technology shifts it has committed to are expensive and underperforming. F35s have low reliability/flight time. Littoral ships scrapped 5 years after comissioning, refueling ships in long dry dock time. Boeing troubles is a hallmark of a US defense system that only cares about spending money instead of results/quality/value, with CEOs simply good at bribes and promises instead of caring about execution.

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        Ukraine is literally getting old tech that allows the west justification to pay for new tech.

        Russia isn’t even fighting new shit and they’re digging through museums for equipment lol

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        LMFAO. Russia? Superior military manufacturing capability than the West??? God that’s funniest thing I’ve read in a month. China? Absolutely true that by some measures has superior military manufacturing capability than the US, or the EU. Russia is a joke, please keep this completely detached from reality content to hexbear or whatever tankie community your main account is in.

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          https://lemmy.ca/post/32720516?scrollToComments=true

          That comes from Ukraine. Another UK source has the difference as 3x. Russia military production was up 40% in 2023 and 2024

          This article focuses on Iran and a missile vs plane war.

          Your dismissiveness seems like copium, though I understand a basis to challenge some of article’s conclusions.

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            Weird. You’re saying a country actively in a war is making more bullets than a country that isn’t at war at all? Wow, next you’ll tell me people eating food chew 3x as much as people not eating food.

            Production rate != Manufacturing capacity. Just look at Russia’s production rate now vs before the war.

            Damn it’s unbelievable how dumb you tankies are. You think you can just say stuff without thinking for even a fraction of a second about it first.

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      It’s cope. It means nothing. Speculating on the effectiveness of warfighting technology before a peer engagement is just flag-waving. A stealthed craft deploying guided munitions at half a mile is a lot less likely to be countered when compared to a medium-range ballistic missile from 30mi out, for example, despite the risk of a manned craft behind enemy territory. On a cost analysis, we can’t speculate on profitability until we know just how many of those munitions will be screened during an engagement. You fire 100 $5k rockets vs. 2 $250k cruise missile, the benefit only comes from the amount of bang that reaches the target.

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      One path to avoid MAD is through a limited strike on US. Missile defense systems theoretically protect from such strikes, though perhaps not from coastal sub strikes. A single nuclear strike on US collapses the country. With multiple theater wars/enemies, port detonations have no certain accountability for the strike.

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        Hahahahah no a single strike would not collapse the country genuinely do not understand how anyone is that silly to think that. Absolutely laughable.

        You think everyone lives in one city? You’d cripple Moscow or Tokyo with one strike and really fuck up their country but places like China and America have too many population hubs one strike would not cripple them at all especially when you calculate the American military bases globally positioned for exactly what your peabrain thinks.

        Lmfaooooo

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          Hahahahah no a single strike would not collapse the country genuinely do not understand how anyone is that silly to think that.

          The US is a bank masquerading as a country. A single strike does collapse the US for its already high debt levels. There is no resilience to needing massive additional reconstruction/spending projects.

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            Every country is a bank? You’re vision of how all this works is entirely screwed.

            Absolutely goofy. You think a nuke hits and suddenly the next day the dollar is worthless? Absolute moron

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              Russia did not collapse under sanctions because it has actual industry. energy and metals to feed manufacturing. US does not have the luxury of banking bankruptcies or debt credibility strains.

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                Neither does Russia. This was supposed to be a weekend operation what like 600 something days ago at this point or something? Their country is suffering for it

                You seem to think countries and shit die in a day it’s very immature and outright idiotic honestly. Just fully completely poorly thought through.

                Russia can barely handle an opponent supposedly far below their capabilities yet they’re fighting on completely equal footing. Saying in any capacity Russia is pulling anything off is a joke. Russia is in a wrestling match with an animal a quarter of their size and are STRUGGLING. There is no success in that. If I’m barely able to fight off a salmon and I’m left with life threatening injuries, in no capacity did I win that let alone succeed.

                Dunno what the fuck you even think you’re talking about. Everything you’re tooting Russia’s horn for is because they’re struggling lmfao