I’ve seen the controversy where lemmy.world defederated from 2 piracy instances. So since there is no one big owner what is stopping someone creating a instance that host CP or other illegal stuff?
From what it seems like is instances can try to defederate from those instances but the only justice that can happen seems only from government/police but that only works in certain countries because more can just pop up bypassing the defederation.
I’m kinda concerned if this issue has no solution because it’s a pretty sharp edge of the double edge sword of having instances anyone can create and host.
Because someone can just host a CP instance and now that instance even if defederated from other instances still provides a safe space for pedophiles to share content and other illegal stuff.
Also what is stopping someone from creating an instance that has a slur for its name and then go around in other federated instances and post comments and make post. Like you don’t want someone named "NAZI_LOVER@n-word.f-slur
I’ve seen the controversy where lemmy.world defederated from 2 piracy instances.
No they didn’t. They blocked 3 communities from 2 different instances. All other communities on those instances are available to .world users and .world is still available to all users on those two instances.
Blocking individual communities is not the same thing as defederating from those instances.
Sorry my bad. Yeah you are correct I did mean 2 communities but I guess it was 3.
Because someone can just host a CP instance and now that instance even if defederated from other instances still provides a safe space for pedophiles to share content and other illegal stuff.
If someone it stupid enough to publicly host CP on their own instance then I very much doubt they would be able to hide from the cops. If they are privately hosting illegal content then I don’t think it really matters what software they are using.
But I mean you can host it publicly and be fine if you put enough effort into hiding yourself I would assume. But even if it’s in plain sight doesn’t mean it won’t be taken down quickly. Also it depends on country to country too, some counties might take swift action while some might put it on the back burner for a long time or won’t even try at all.
But anyone anywhere can host an instance and they can try to hide the best they can and it might actually work. Yes it’s a stupid decision to do that in the first place but that won’t stop people. Even if it’s up for a week then that’s a problem.
I’ve seen the controversy where myisp.com blocked mail from 2 email hosts. So since there is no one big owner what is stopping someone creating an email host that propagates CP or other illegal stuff?
From what it seems like is ISPs can try to block from those hosts but the only justice that can happen seems only from government/police but that only works in certain countries because more can just pop up bypassing the blocks.
I’m kinda concerned if this issue has no solution because it’s a pretty sharp edge of the double edge sword of having instances anyone can create and host.
Because someone can just host a CP mailing list and now that list, even if blocked from other ISPs, still provides a safe space for pedophiles to share content and other illegal stuff.
Also what is stopping someone from creating an email host that has a slur for its name and then go sending email around to other ISPs. Like you don’t want someone named “NAZI_LOVER@n-word.f-slur”
Adjust as appropriate for literally any other technology used on the Internet up to and including frickin’ DNS.
ANY technology, without exception, has utility for evil as well as good. (Some are more evil-leaning, like corporate social media silos, while others are more good-leaning, like automated puppy scritchers, to be fair.) To pearl-clutch over one technology because it’s the new one is just …
… well, human I guess. Humans are always doing this shit.
This is a weird question for a service hosted on the internet.
I’m kinda concerned if this issue has no solution because it’s a pretty sharp edge of the double edge sword of having instances anyone can create and host.
That concern is because you want a target for some outrage reaction takes, rather than just being thoughtful and aware of how things work in the first place.
**What’s stopping someone from making henious content hosted on a website, or any sort of webservice at all that has nothing to do with fediverse/lemmy? **
**Morality, decency, the community, the ability of hosts to self-police, the law itself, and law enforcement. **
This may feel anonymous, but just like with any other service, you are and will be tracked, even using tor and similar technologies to try and hide, it’s not at all foolproof.
What’s stopping your own home instance from doing the same?
Fear of prosecution in most cases I would assume.
If you don’t mind decades in jail, sure you are welcome to do it.
Totally unrelated, I heard a couple of South Africans at work mention ‘the k word.’ I was like wtf is this, so I asked them.
The word was kafir. And I was like, ‘you mean like the lime???’
Yeah, apparently kafir is a slur. I’ve only ever heard it used in the context of kafir limes.
As far as limes go, they are kinda average. Hard to squeeze. I’m not a lime expert though.
“Kafir” is an Arabic word meaning “disbeliever” (teacher lie: the reality is a bit more complicated).
“Kaffir” is an Afrikaans pronunciation corruption of the term, first used to describe the pagan African communities, but then applied even to monotheists (who are technically not kafir in Islam), and then, in the end, applicable as a racial slur to all blacks: the Afrikaans equivalent of the n-word.
Not to be confused with the German “Kafer” which means “beetle”.
Thanks for elaborating! I’m learning so much today.
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Nothing.
Decades of jail I would assume. Federating is basically just announcing to the world what’s going on LMAO
I’ve had the same thought. Can anyone make an instance and it’s automatically federated? It would make sense that to join the federation there would be an application process, gaining approval by receiving so many votes by already federated instances. But that doesn’t exist as far as I know and I’m sure would create a whole other set of issues and politics and skew the general idea here that this place is decentralized
Lemmy federation only starts when a user on your instance searches for and subscribes to a community on another one. So unless a user on your instance goes searching for cp it’s not really an issue.
But all it takes is one person to go and do that.
Federation is enabled by default. Defedersting takes explicit action…
