I agree with both you and the meme. You’re right that everyone should have sucked it up and voted for Kamala anyway. The meme is right because the Dems fucked this royally at several stages. Yes, American voters have made a decision that I massively disagree with… But you also have to recognise the vast political mistakes the party have made that led to this point.
I have no skin in this game, but if the two options are that clear, you absolutely can blame the voters.
At the end of the day, this rhetoric is trying to find absolution by delegating responsibility to a higher authority. Not we, the voters, are wrong, it’s the party elites, that forced us to vote fascism into power because the other offer wasn’t good enough. It’s not our fault, it’s theirs.
No, you don’t get a pass. Germany didn’t get a pass, either. And rightly so.
And that is a deeply deeply undemocratic thing to say.
You’re taking away all agency from the voters. In what you’re saying, voters are completely unable to understand anything and are led by elites against their own will. This is how Putin, Hitler, Xi think about their subjects.
There is manipulation, without any doubt, but every single voter in a free country, like the US, has the ability to see through that. They have all the information they need, they have the critical thinking abilities they need, but they choose not to use them.
Listen to interviews with Trumpets. They know, he’s lying. It’s clear to them. But they like the sentiment of his lies and that’s good enough for them. They are to blame. And whoever chose not to vote against open fascism is also to blame.
I’m German, and the “We didn’t know of anything!!!” quote of the willfully ignorant Germans 80 years ago is infamous here.
And that is a deeply deeply undemocratic thing to say.
Of course it is, America’s “democracy” is deliberately undemocratic.
You’re taking away all agency from the voters.
The parties did that from the moment they got to start picking their voters rather than the other way around.
In what you’re saying, voters are completely unable to understand anything and are led by elites against their own will. This is how Putin, Hitler, Xi think about their subjects.
You forgot to mention Trump in that list as well, and it doesn’t matter whether the voters understand anything or not. The people who get to make the choices did so long before the voters were brought in to legitimize the government.
There is manipulation, without any doubt, but every single voter in a free country, like the US, has the ability to see through that.
I wish I could still have that much faith in the intelligence of Americans, lol~.
I’m German, and the “We didn’t know of anything!!!” quote of the willfully ignorant Germans 80 years ago is infamous here.
I’m American, and the epitaph of the country I was born in will be “Thoughts and Prayers”.
Knowing the rdds’ history of trying to cheat elections, I’m pretty sure that every person screaming about sitting out the election because of Gaza is a paid troll. One candidate repeatedly called for a cease-fire, and the other told Benny to end it before he takes office. Only a moron would skip the vote because of that.
Yeah sorry. The facts are ppl voted for Trump over the fucking economy. Everyone out for themselves. The Israel/Jill Stein nonsense was a drop in the bucket.
Hope they’re all happy with the results. It’s gonna suck. Buckle up.
I agree with both you and the meme. You’re right that everyone should have sucked it up and voted for Kamala anyway. The meme is right because the Dems fucked this royally at several stages. Yes, American voters have made a decision that I massively disagree with… But you also have to recognise the vast political mistakes the party have made that led to this point.
I have no skin in this game, but if the two options are that clear, you absolutely can blame the voters.
At the end of the day, this rhetoric is trying to find absolution by delegating responsibility to a higher authority. Not we, the voters, are wrong, it’s the party elites, that forced us to vote fascism into power because the other offer wasn’t good enough. It’s not our fault, it’s theirs.
No, you don’t get a pass. Germany didn’t get a pass, either. And rightly so.
Voters are blameless, they don’t get to choose how the parties manipulate them into voting or what they do afterwards.
And that is a deeply deeply undemocratic thing to say.
You’re taking away all agency from the voters. In what you’re saying, voters are completely unable to understand anything and are led by elites against their own will. This is how Putin, Hitler, Xi think about their subjects.
There is manipulation, without any doubt, but every single voter in a free country, like the US, has the ability to see through that. They have all the information they need, they have the critical thinking abilities they need, but they choose not to use them.
Listen to interviews with Trumpets. They know, he’s lying. It’s clear to them. But they like the sentiment of his lies and that’s good enough for them. They are to blame. And whoever chose not to vote against open fascism is also to blame.
I’m German, and the “We didn’t know of anything!!!” quote of the willfully ignorant Germans 80 years ago is infamous here.
Of course it is, America’s “democracy” is deliberately undemocratic.
The parties did that from the moment they got to start picking their voters rather than the other way around.
You forgot to mention Trump in that list as well, and it doesn’t matter whether the voters understand anything or not. The people who get to make the choices did so long before the voters were brought in to legitimize the government.
I wish I could still have that much faith in the intelligence of Americans, lol~.
I’m American, and the epitaph of the country I was born in will be “Thoughts and Prayers”.
Germany absolutely got a pass though?
Yeah. Fuck.
What mistakes specifically?
Well, directly funding genocide is one that SO many people have been calling out as a mistake for over a year now.
Only on lemmy. I haven’t met anyone irl that has had anything to say about “funding genocide”.
According to the polls the voters were motivated by inflation and immigration the most.
Knowing the rdds’ history of trying to cheat elections, I’m pretty sure that every person screaming about sitting out the election because of Gaza is a paid troll. One candidate repeatedly called for a cease-fire, and the other told Benny to end it before he takes office. Only a moron would skip the vote because of that.
Yeah sorry. The facts are ppl voted for Trump over the fucking economy. Everyone out for themselves. The Israel/Jill Stein nonsense was a drop in the bucket.
Hope they’re all happy with the results. It’s gonna suck. Buckle up.
They pushed further right to try and court republican voters who want nothing to do with them, and alienated their own base.