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In a linked article at the bottom, about Dems still hoping to take the house, there’s a brain dead quote:
“We swung the pendulum too far to the left,” Rep. Ritchie Torres, D-N.Y.
Is THAT what they are thinking? What in the ever living fuck.
Democratic voters to the DNC as the DNC pivots further right:
aight ima go die from sadness
Lmao yes famous things leftists ask for like:
- Stating your difference from Biden would be to have a republican in your cabinet.
- Campaigning with Liz Cheney.
- Enacting the rights border policies.
- Walking back a commitment to ban fracking.
- Walking back support for Medicare 4 All
- Walking back support for the green new deal.
- Supplying and funding the genocide leftists and Arab voters explicitly wanted stopped.
They can’t even blame third party voters this time around because from the current tallies it wouldn’t have made a difference.
They didn’t activate what should be their base enough and instead tried to court neocons and these mythical moderate republicans that would abandon trump in swaths for a righter wing democrat (hint: they will always prefer the actual republican).
If the democratic leadership takes this result as anything but an indictment of their attempt to abandon popular left policies to become the Republicans of 20 years ago they are hopeless. I’m not holding my breath though.
Nah we’re done dude. What voters where told this election was “Its not your party, its our party. We’ll do with it what we will.”
I can’t imagine voting for a Democrat again, should we even get to vote again. Its too risky. They lie about who they are. Its all lip-service. They have no plan. There is no commitment to a broader project.
Why are you pretending like the democratic party didn’t push through the Civil Rights Act, DACA, Marriage Equality, the ADA, Affordable Care, Decriminalization of Marijuana, almost every minimum wage increase, student loan forgiveness, reproductive rights, etc.? If you haven’t benefited from policies of the Democratic party, then you must be living a very charmed life indeed.
Leftists blaming the right for people on the left not voting is some backwards hoop-jumping logic.
They can’t even blame third party voters this time around because from the current tallies it wouldn’t have made a difference.
Wat. Michigan and Wisconsin alone were so narrow that the third-party candidates received multiples of the difference.
That’s twenty-five electoral votes right there. That would have flipped the election.
Robert F Kennedy and Chase Oliver voters are peeling off votes from Trump not Harris.
If you look at the count of the RFK/ Oliver/ Libertarian voters they more or less cancel out the Green and socialist candidate/party voters
It feels like a recurring pattern of getting momentum then giving up before the fight and declaring that the only way forward is to compromise with the GOP. This pervasive self-defeating attitude that people don’t want good things constantly undermines any attempt to sell a democratic vision. If you pre-emptively declare that centrism is the only viable path and attack anything that you think threatens your appeal to the center you will only ever be hurting your own position. To govern effectively you need to sell people on your vision, you have to have an idea of what you want the future to look like and then you have to convince people that is the right way. Going in with the only goal being to win, and adopting whatever mishmash of policies sounds popular to get there will never speak to people, and actively attacking the people with ideas and vision for being too “unelectable” is just self sabotage.
Exactly! If only Harris had Threatened to DEPORT her Voters and cause BLOODY Financial Hardships she PROBABLY would have Won! And if she had Campaigned on giving her Voters Healthcare and ending Genocide she would have got even LESS Votes!
I watched John Stewart’s speech at the end of the election coverage and thought he made a good point: there will be a lot of talking heads on TV and the internet who are willing to say with absolute certainty why Trump won and why Harris lost and what this means going forward, but the truth is that no one really knows. They’re just saying whatever gets them paid, gets them on TV, gets their book published, or gets them into a political office of their own.
When we have a retrospective of this whole affair in 10 or 20 years, there will be someone among the sea of thousands of opinions who probably got it right, but call it a lucky guess more than genuine insight.
Some folks just won’t learn.
And some folks don’t wanna.
Yep - I was up all night watching results (which was stupid and yes I feel terrible today) and I caught some Morning Joe before I finally went to bed.
I thought he was about to make a good point when he said that Democrats can’t just keep saying “Trump bad, Democrats virtuous,” but then ofc he went on to blame “the sliver of the Democratic Party who call themselves progressives” and that they will need to shift even further to the right next time.
Pundits are going fucking wild with this.
“Joe Biden’s the reason”
Maybe Harris shouldn’t have adopted his platform then.
Exactly my point.
This is very, very bad.
"many Harris allies blaming her loss on Biden and his late decision to exit the race.
“Joe Biden is the singular reason Kamala Harris and Democrats lost tonight,”"
Or, you know, like I said from the start, Biden can’t win and Harris won’t win.
Too much baggage from being AG, and the same plastic insincerity Clinton had.
Waltz could have been top of ticket and won. The sense of being genuine glows off that guy.
I wonder if that disconnect is a hazard of not having a primary. Even if Kamala had still been nominated from the get-go, splits in the voting and ratios might have indicated what Dem voters were thinking and provided campaign insight.
Primaries allow many ideas and voices to rally behind one. It helped in 2008, 2016, and 2020. Many canidates started tossing out ideas, the good ones sticked to the person in charge. We never would have gotten Biden to consider legalizing weed and higher wages without it.
And we didn’t get one. She was appointed without the public really getting a say. When Biden was declared the nominee for 2024, I didn’t get my mail in ballot yet in California.
Harris could have won, she just needed to throw Biden under the bus like he deserves. Her written platform is honestly fine, I think she could have run a progressive campaign of change, but instead she chose to run on upholding the staus quo. Maybe she wasn’t given the choice by the DNC.
The DNC has done more fuckery in my lifetime than almost anyone else.
Who decided John Kerry should get the nomination? Or Clinton, or Biden, or Harris?
We’re boned.
Worthless cunt will continue to live in comfort
