honestly even if .world had 100% uptime i’d still recommend spreading out to smaller instances. it’s a single point of failure for the entire network (or at least the parts of the network as seen by lemmy/kbin). bus factor and all
i personally hope that over time as the tooling improves (and as “turnkey” hosters like masto.host adopt lemmy), more topic-specific instances get started up. think of startrek.website or programming.dev or slrpnk or rblind or literature.cafe or all the country instances. and general purpose instances like .world and lemm.ee and sijw and what have you can be for smaller communities that don’t have the resources, or they can be used as “account holder” instances that have people but “outsource” the communities to their own respective instances to keep their own costs down.
everyone piling up on .world is hurting the entire network. (even worse when they create communities and those communities also pile up on .world) and it’s sad to see the .world admins refuse to acknowledge this and handwave it behind “well we’re still smaller than mastodon.social /shrug” (and yes i have complaints about eugen’s handling of mastodon.social/.online too)
Completely agree with you. I support a lot !moviesandtv@lemmy.film for that reason, because I’m sure it has the potential to grow, and show an example of federation outside of the usual tech communities.
It would be nice to have a gaming instance as well, I always feel like content is scattered all over !games@sh.itjust.works, the one on lemmy.world, the one on kbin.social, another one on lemm.ee, etc.
Quite a few people have been really hostile to the idea of spreading across the federation from lemmy.world. Some just are fixated on the idea reddit 2.0 over everything else right now. Even more so, I’ve offered to host and help migrate over some book/writing related communities that are on lemmy.world and it like seems some of the mods in communities there are fine with doing but if they did so lemmy.world would just reopen the community with new mods choking the new community to death. When lemdroid migrated over lemmy.world overtook the community and reopened it with new mods, lemdroid still doesn’t compare in size to the android community they forcefully reopened.
Alongside that, I’ve considered opening a general art focused lemmy instance to help spread things out further, but I don’t know if I could pay for two instances right now. Right now literature.cafe is out of my pocket, but I have a nice domain for it on hand and the spare time to make if there is interest and others willing to contribute, so who knows. dunno where to even gauge interest on that though tbh 🤷
what is with fedi instances and wanting to be the biggest hugest one out there? eugen with .social/.online, the whole universeodon saga, and now lemmy.world…
i mean, i can understand redditors not being open to change and just wanting things as they are, but ruud operates mulltiple fedi services aside from lemmy (basically anything with the .world tld is connected to mastodon.world/ruud). he of all people should know better.
re your art instance: one of the main problems with this kinda thing is it’s hard to find people who are both technically inclined, AND can deal with community moderation (which is difficult and is expressly why i haven’t done anything other than a brief single user instance) AND has the resources to keep one up and running. have you considered asking around a couple well moderated art communities ahead of time, and just handling the tech portions yourself while they handle the moderation?
i guess that won’t help with the money part though
The thing is though, the instance your create a community from only really affects who you interact with to recover your moderation team if everyone goes poof. Otherwise the instance essentially serves as a vanity domain for the community (think email). It doesn’t matter if lemmy.world is down to me at all. I can still post to its cats community using my sh.itjust.works account just fine. Anyone that isn’t on beehaw will see my posts with or without the origin instance of the community being online (because beehaw is defederated with my instance).
you can still post to .world, but that post won’t leave your instance if .world is not up to boost it to every other instance subscribed to that community.
if you posted to a .world community from sijw while .world was down, i won’t see it until .world gets back up, gets the message from sijw (which will usually retry a few times before timing out), and boosts it to blahaj. except for cases like this where i’m replying directly to you all 3 instances need to be up for federation to work properly
honestly even if .world had 100% uptime i’d still recommend spreading out to smaller instances. it’s a single point of failure for the entire network (or at least the parts of the network as seen by lemmy/kbin). bus factor and all
i personally hope that over time as the tooling improves (and as “turnkey” hosters like masto.host adopt lemmy), more topic-specific instances get started up. think of startrek.website or programming.dev or slrpnk or rblind or literature.cafe or all the country instances. and general purpose instances like .world and lemm.ee and sijw and what have you can be for smaller communities that don’t have the resources, or they can be used as “account holder” instances that have people but “outsource” the communities to their own respective instances to keep their own costs down.
everyone piling up on .world is hurting the entire network. (even worse when they create communities and those communities also pile up on .world) and it’s sad to see the .world admins refuse to acknowledge this and handwave it behind “well we’re still smaller than mastodon.social /shrug” (and yes i have complaints about eugen’s handling of mastodon.social/.online too)
Completely agree with you. I support a lot !moviesandtv@lemmy.film for that reason, because I’m sure it has the potential to grow, and show an example of federation outside of the usual tech communities.
It would be nice to have a gaming instance as well, I always feel like content is scattered all over !games@sh.itjust.works, the one on lemmy.world, the one on kbin.social, another one on lemm.ee, etc.
Quite a few people have been really hostile to the idea of spreading across the federation from lemmy.world. Some just are fixated on the idea reddit 2.0 over everything else right now. Even more so, I’ve offered to host and help migrate over some book/writing related communities that are on lemmy.world and it like seems some of the mods in communities there are fine with doing but if they did so lemmy.world would just reopen the community with new mods choking the new community to death. When lemdroid migrated over lemmy.world overtook the community and reopened it with new mods, lemdroid still doesn’t compare in size to the android community they forcefully reopened.
Alongside that, I’ve considered opening a general art focused lemmy instance to help spread things out further, but I don’t know if I could pay for two instances right now. Right now literature.cafe is out of my pocket, but I have a nice domain for it on hand and the spare time to make if there is interest and others willing to contribute, so who knows. dunno where to even gauge interest on that though tbh 🤷
what is with fedi instances and wanting to be the biggest hugest one out there? eugen with .social/.online, the whole universeodon saga, and now lemmy.world…
i mean, i can understand redditors not being open to change and just wanting things as they are, but ruud operates mulltiple fedi services aside from lemmy (basically anything with the .world tld is connected to mastodon.world/ruud). he of all people should know better.
re your art instance: one of the main problems with this kinda thing is it’s hard to find people who are both technically inclined, AND can deal with community moderation (which is difficult and is expressly why i haven’t done anything other than a brief single user instance) AND has the resources to keep one up and running. have you considered asking around a couple well moderated art communities ahead of time, and just handling the tech portions yourself while they handle the moderation?
i guess that won’t help with the money part though
The thing is though, the instance your create a community from only really affects who you interact with to recover your moderation team if everyone goes poof. Otherwise the instance essentially serves as a vanity domain for the community (think email). It doesn’t matter if lemmy.world is down to me at all. I can still post to its cats community using my sh.itjust.works account just fine. Anyone that isn’t on beehaw will see my posts with or without the origin instance of the community being online (because beehaw is defederated with my instance).
you can still post to .world, but that post won’t leave your instance if .world is not up to boost it to every other instance subscribed to that community.
if you posted to a .world community from sijw while .world was down, i won’t see it until .world gets back up, gets the message from sijw (which will usually retry a few times before timing out), and boosts it to blahaj. except for cases like this where i’m replying directly to you all 3 instances need to be up for federation to work properly