People grow tired of fighting with such high stakes so in the long run you just wear them out
This is true.
Sure, if Trump wins things will suck definitely but it’s not the end of the world. Ultimately biggest political parties serve various oligarchs so once Dems are inevitably back some years from now you’ll notice not much is changing for you personally.
This is where I vehemently disagree. Just because you’re not going to be one of the first ones they target doesn’t mean it’s no big deal. They’re talking about using our local police to round millions of people up and put them in camps, and you’re going to sit there and tell me it’s not the end of the world? Get the fuck out of here.
It’s okay to be tired. Fight anyway. That is what is required to maintain Democracy. Giving in to authoritarianism because it’s easier is a bitch move.
This is where I vehemently disagree. Just because you’re not going to be one of the first ones they target doesn’t mean it’s no big deal. They’re talking about using our local police to round millions of people up and put them in camps, and you’re going to sit there and tell me it’s not the end of the world? Get the fuck out of here.
Your mistake is believing any politician, Trump included. He says crazy stuff to win votes, not to actually implement it. This is true of libs in general as well.
You haven’t been paying attention. Trump tried to implement this stuff last time and was stopped by people loyal to the Constitution. ALL of those people are gone. He is surrounded by people who WILL carry out his orders. Trump rarely learns, but he has absolutely learned a lesson when it comes to staffing.
This is true of libs in general as well
This is a ridiculous attempt to both sides. Give us an example. What compares to “we’re going to detain and deport millions of people”?
I’m not interested in political theatre, I judge based on outcomes because it’s impossible to know intent.
In Poland libs were very up their arms about human rights abuse against migrants on the Belarusian border. Just months after they got back into power they formally suspended ability to request asylum (mandated by Geneva convention and EU basic rights charter). Similar stuff in France as well.
So the “camps” side of things definitely feels gross, but he’s “threatening” to enforce the law, that’s not wrong. Now if he’s weaponizing the system to deport his opposition or otherwise law abiding citizens, that’s a problem.
A lot of the people he wants to deport are people claiming asylum because the country they come from is too dangerous to be in. Letting those people stay here while they plead their case is one of our lawful treaty obligations. Rounding them up and summarily deporting them is not enforcing the law it’s abrogating the law.
Okay, but legally he can’t do that. No matter how much he wants to. And once again, orders are as only good as the people who are tasked with carrying them out.
It’s worth noting here that the President, as per the supreme Court, is immune from all prosecution if his actions result from the scope of his duties. It would be trivial for Trump to argue that deporting everybody he doesn’t like is within the scope of his duties, whether it’s lawful or not. That’s the unique danger we face right now: a combination of a strong man and a uniquely deferential SCOTUS. It’s never happened in American history.
He’s a literal criminal who has filled the courts with his minons and the police love him.
Who’s going to stop him? Seriously who?
His term this time is going to be worse than last time because he and the republican party have removed all the ways we have to stop him from doing whatever the fuck he wants.
Official acts are completely legal now. He can order protesters executed and the supreme court already said that’s fine.
The president has supreme authority over the executive branch, which includes the military. Trump has explicitly said that he would implement mass deportations, and has called democrats “the enemy within” while in the same breath saying that the national guard could be used to put them in prison.
As for who’s going to let it happen, that would be all of the Trump sychophants that he will be appointing. He learned last time that appointing republicans isn’t enough to let him get away with his batshit crazy ideas, they have to be cult loyalists as well.
I don’t think he should be in charge of anything, but even if he were I can’t imagine there are enough people willing to follow those orders to actually carry them out.
This is true.
This is where I vehemently disagree. Just because you’re not going to be one of the first ones they target doesn’t mean it’s no big deal. They’re talking about using our local police to round millions of people up and put them in camps, and you’re going to sit there and tell me it’s not the end of the world? Get the fuck out of here.
It’s okay to be tired. Fight anyway. That is what is required to maintain Democracy. Giving in to authoritarianism because it’s easier is a bitch move.
Your mistake is believing any politician, Trump included. He says crazy stuff to win votes, not to actually implement it. This is true of libs in general as well.
You haven’t been paying attention. Trump tried to implement this stuff last time and was stopped by people loyal to the Constitution. ALL of those people are gone. He is surrounded by people who WILL carry out his orders. Trump rarely learns, but he has absolutely learned a lesson when it comes to staffing.
This is a ridiculous attempt to both sides. Give us an example. What compares to “we’re going to detain and deport millions of people”?
I’m not interested in political theatre, I judge based on outcomes because it’s impossible to know intent.
In Poland libs were very up their arms about human rights abuse against migrants on the Belarusian border. Just months after they got back into power they formally suspended ability to request asylum (mandated by Geneva convention and EU basic rights charter). Similar stuff in France as well.
I’m genuinely curious, who is getting rounded up? And who’s going to let that happen?
He’s talking about deporting millions of illegal immigrants, which will probably require putting them in a camp at least temporarily.
So the “camps” side of things definitely feels gross, but he’s “threatening” to enforce the law, that’s not wrong. Now if he’s weaponizing the system to deport his opposition or otherwise law abiding citizens, that’s a problem.
A lot of the people he wants to deport are people claiming asylum because the country they come from is too dangerous to be in. Letting those people stay here while they plead their case is one of our lawful treaty obligations. Rounding them up and summarily deporting them is not enforcing the law it’s abrogating the law.
He has promised to deport pro-palestine protesters.
Most of whom are born Americans.
You’re not paying attention. The camps are for far more than just the undocumented.
Okay, but legally he can’t do that. No matter how much he wants to. And once again, orders are as only good as the people who are tasked with carrying them out.
It’s worth noting here that the President, as per the supreme Court, is immune from all prosecution if his actions result from the scope of his duties. It would be trivial for Trump to argue that deporting everybody he doesn’t like is within the scope of his duties, whether it’s lawful or not. That’s the unique danger we face right now: a combination of a strong man and a uniquely deferential SCOTUS. It’s never happened in American history.
He’s a literal criminal who has filled the courts with his minons and the police love him.
Who’s going to stop him? Seriously who?
His term this time is going to be worse than last time because he and the republican party have removed all the ways we have to stop him from doing whatever the fuck he wants.
Official acts are completely legal now. He can order protesters executed and the supreme court already said that’s fine.
This is why the second amendment exists.
The president has supreme authority over the executive branch, which includes the military. Trump has explicitly said that he would implement mass deportations, and has called democrats “the enemy within” while in the same breath saying that the national guard could be used to put them in prison.
As for who’s going to let it happen, that would be all of the Trump sychophants that he will be appointing. He learned last time that appointing republicans isn’t enough to let him get away with his batshit crazy ideas, they have to be cult loyalists as well.
I don’t think he should be in charge of anything, but even if he were I can’t imagine there are enough people willing to follow those orders to actually carry them out.