• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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      28 days ago

      So make a choice: Israel or Palestine.

      You say that like the choice hasn’t already been made without the input of the voters.

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      28 days ago

      What should happen to Palestinians if Israel is chosen? What should happen to Israelis if Palestine is chosen?

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        Israel has made it clear that it wants to exterminate Palestinians, and is literally in the process of doing so right now.

        Palestinians are not genocidal. They don’t want to exterminate Israelis. They just want to be able to go home and stop being killed and starved and tortured.

        Israelis can assimilate into Palestine and stop trying to make a Jewish ethnostate. Palestine can be one multi-ethnic, multi-racial, multi-religious democracy.

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          Palestinians are not genocidal. They don’t want to exterminate Israelis.

          Even if some or most do wish to exterminate, this is arguably understandable. How many bombs would have to fall on you and your family before you were extremely angry? Maybe even, we could say, rationally angry?

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          Palestinians have entire documents and conferences on what to do with non-useful Jews. As for the useful ones, they will not be allowed to flee Palestine. Doctors and such will be prevented from emigrating.

          There are no angels in this conflict. Both sides have desires for a genocide.

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            Certainly there are factions within Palestine that are genocidal. They’re not in charge of anything, though, and don’t represent the mainstream.

            Meanwhile, the Israeli genicidiers control the government and are a mainstream cultural force.

            They are not the same.

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                Hamas isn’t lead by the people it was lead by even a decade ago. Their more recent 2017 charter is pretty explicitly not genocidal, they are anti-Israeli and explicitly not anti-Jewish.

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                  Said conference was held in 2021. But I guess maybe a couple of years is enough time to reform a genocidal group.

                  Maybe Hamas leadership changed their tune towards murdering regular Jewish people sometime after that?

                  Certainly an analysis of their actions since that time will show their more peaceable trajectory…

                  That only the Israeli govt is capable of carrying out their genocide tendencies doesn’t mean Hamas doesn’t have genocidal tendencies.

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                    I never claimed they’re peaceful. They want to kill settlers and IDF goons and they want to destroy the Israeli occupation. Hardly peaceful.

                    But that’s not genocide. That’s just people’s war.

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        I say we find land for each of them someplace in the US, build infrastructure and housing, evacuate Jerusalem and bulldoze it.

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      The two-state solution is a boondoggle.

      Better tell that to China, or do you know better than an AES state?

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          I think it’s one of those weasel words some leftists use so they can ignore their own hypocrisy while they moralize like the evangelical Christians they were raised as.

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            So you don’t know what it means.

            Critical support means supporting AES countries against the capitalist hegemon despite still having criticisms of some of their decisions. I don’t have to think every single decision they make is perfect because I don’t moralize about my politics.

            What you’re talking about is dogmatism, i.e. taking uncritical moral positions and then denouncing any deviation. Mao harshly criticized this in On Contradiction and On Practice.

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              No decision can ever be perfect, is my point.

              taking uncritical moral positions and then denouncing any deviation

              Lol I’ve been to Hexbear and old chapo chat, I have no idea how you can say this with a straight face.

              Mao harshly criticized this in On Contradiction and On Practice.

              Cool, was that before or after struggle sessions were implemented in China?

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                Okay, that’s about following the Party line and the strategy of democratic centralism. What the Party decides is what the membership must respect and uphold.

                I am not a member of the Communist Party of China. They wouldn’t want me anyway lol

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                  i.e. taking uncritical moral positions and then denouncing any deviation

                  What the Party decides is what the membership must respect and uphold.

                  Hmmm

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                    It’s strategic, not moral. The Communist Party of China has 99 million members. Without democratic centralism it would just be a big club of communism fans, not a Party.

                    Once there’s an agreed upon decision, every Party member must uphold it for the strategic advancement of the Party agenda.