Raised meat animals and hunted for roughly half my life. Coming from that background, I absolutely do not like to see animals suffer. Quick and clean kills. Minimal pain.
Raised poultry for both meat and eggs. When the broilers were ready for slaughter, it was a quick chop of an axe and done.
I’ve shot several deer over the years. Most dropped dead right on the spot. Only one had to be shot a second time, and it sucked to do. But also overpopulation/starving/eaten alive is objectively worse.
All that said, I fucking LOATHE the modern meat industry. I try and get my meat and eggs from local co-ops or people I know. Locally raised and not in cramped sheds. The butcher is smaller and not just a streamlined kill chute. I try to avoid the big corporate food market when I can.
All that said, it’s difficult to explain how I see an animal as food. I know it’s a living, breathing thing, but also, it’s being raised for food. That’s its purpose. I love meat, the way it tastes, and will continue to eat it for the rest of my life.
I’m not trying to convince you anything, just explaining my point of view.
Do I like hurting animals? No.
Am I a psychopath? Don’t know. Never been examined.
And what again are you doing in a vegan community then? Why are you so desperate to be heard? We’re not here to discuss your “food” choices or moral superiority or why you think it’s okay to kill innocent, sentient beings and eat their fucking corpses. Because we already discuss that stuff irl every. single. day. We’re here to have some fun with like-minded people and not be reminded of the constant vystopia we’re living still in. You’re interrupting.
You hurt other beings just by living on land. The land occupied by your home used to be wildlife habitat. There is no escape from humanity’s harmful nature.
Not a minute ago I saw another post about a study showing how more eco friendly a vegan diet is. I wasn’t surprised, but my first thought was I’d like to learn more vegetarian or vegan food, but I wish there were more vegans not as self-righteous about it.
The silent ones I can’t ask because I didn’t know they’re vegan, and the loud ones are such a turn off. I’m not against eating meat, but I am very against being cruel to animals. I’m also a hunter and I pass up any questionable opportunity. I’ve also gotten kinda anti-pet, which doesn’t seem to bother most vegans, but I don’t judge other people, it’s my personal opinion. We all do things others didn’t agree with, but they really hurt their cause sometimes.
This obviously doesn’t apply to all veggies and vegans, but some of you really deter people who would like to learn more. I wish the others would slap down this behavior more like if you heard a friend making inappropriate jokes.
Tone-policing other vegans is time that could be better spent having conversations with carnists. If somebody has a better way of changing hearts and minds, there’s no better way to convince others than to demonstrate it.
Look up Earthling Ed on YouTube. He’s very kind, rational, and patient. I think that vegans should try to be more like him, but it’s very difficult, and I’m pretty far from that myself. I understand why some vegans get upset, because it’s an emotional topic.
I’m sure it is frustrating to deal with people challenging your beliefs constantly. It’s easier for me to avoid grumpy vegans that is for you to avoid meat eaters who don’t want to understand you. I used to say stupid things until I learned more. But it was heard to find someone who was willing to inform without any attacking. Forcing change on people seldom works.
I’ll check out Earthing Ed. I do sincerely want to learn more. I didn’t need to be convinced of the ethics, because we aren’t miles apart there. I just want yummy recipes. I followed r/eatcheapandvegan and got good things off there and want to do the same here. I don’t need people to kiss my butt or guilt me to win me over, just show me a tasty alternative.
It can get emotional, but it doesn’t have to. I thank you for your response.
Why do you like hurting animals? Are you a psychopath?
Raised meat animals and hunted for roughly half my life. Coming from that background, I absolutely do not like to see animals suffer. Quick and clean kills. Minimal pain.
Raised poultry for both meat and eggs. When the broilers were ready for slaughter, it was a quick chop of an axe and done.
I’ve shot several deer over the years. Most dropped dead right on the spot. Only one had to be shot a second time, and it sucked to do. But also overpopulation/starving/eaten alive is objectively worse.
All that said, I fucking LOATHE the modern meat industry. I try and get my meat and eggs from local co-ops or people I know. Locally raised and not in cramped sheds. The butcher is smaller and not just a streamlined kill chute. I try to avoid the big corporate food market when I can.
All that said, it’s difficult to explain how I see an animal as food. I know it’s a living, breathing thing, but also, it’s being raised for food. That’s its purpose. I love meat, the way it tastes, and will continue to eat it for the rest of my life.
I’m not trying to convince you anything, just explaining my point of view.
Do I like hurting animals? No.
Am I a psychopath? Don’t know. Never been examined.
And what again are you doing in a vegan community then? Why are you so desperate to be heard? We’re not here to discuss your “food” choices or moral superiority or why you think it’s okay to kill innocent, sentient beings and eat their fucking corpses. Because we already discuss that stuff irl every. single. day. We’re here to have some fun with like-minded people and not be reminded of the constant vystopia we’re living still in. You’re interrupting.
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That person literally just got done explaining that he and/or she carefully avoids hurting animals. You’re being dishonest. Stop that.
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By killing them quickly enough. You can’t hurt if you’re already dead.
Nah. Let them claim moral superiority. I don’t care.
Tried to explain how I see things and they shit all over it.
It’s time for lunch anyway.
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You hurt other beings just by living on land. The land occupied by your home used to be wildlife habitat. There is no escape from humanity’s harmful nature.
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I’m… Perfectly OK with that; and that’s not at all unusual.
Not a minute ago I saw another post about a study showing how more eco friendly a vegan diet is. I wasn’t surprised, but my first thought was I’d like to learn more vegetarian or vegan food, but I wish there were more vegans not as self-righteous about it.
The silent ones I can’t ask because I didn’t know they’re vegan, and the loud ones are such a turn off. I’m not against eating meat, but I am very against being cruel to animals. I’m also a hunter and I pass up any questionable opportunity. I’ve also gotten kinda anti-pet, which doesn’t seem to bother most vegans, but I don’t judge other people, it’s my personal opinion. We all do things others didn’t agree with, but they really hurt their cause sometimes.
This obviously doesn’t apply to all veggies and vegans, but some of you really deter people who would like to learn more. I wish the others would slap down this behavior more like if you heard a friend making inappropriate jokes.
Tone-policing other vegans is time that could be better spent having conversations with carnists. If somebody has a better way of changing hearts and minds, there’s no better way to convince others than to demonstrate it.
Look up Earthling Ed on YouTube. He’s very kind, rational, and patient. I think that vegans should try to be more like him, but it’s very difficult, and I’m pretty far from that myself. I understand why some vegans get upset, because it’s an emotional topic.
I’m sure it is frustrating to deal with people challenging your beliefs constantly. It’s easier for me to avoid grumpy vegans that is for you to avoid meat eaters who don’t want to understand you. I used to say stupid things until I learned more. But it was heard to find someone who was willing to inform without any attacking. Forcing change on people seldom works.
I’ll check out Earthing Ed. I do sincerely want to learn more. I didn’t need to be convinced of the ethics, because we aren’t miles apart there. I just want yummy recipes. I followed r/eatcheapandvegan and got good things off there and want to do the same here. I don’t need people to kiss my butt or guilt me to win me over, just show me a tasty alternative.
It can get emotional, but it doesn’t have to. I thank you for your response.