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Any solution that starts with purges is bad.
It’s harder to build something than to destroy it. I’d you destroy a system with nothing to replace it, the rich and powerful will swoop into the power vacuum and gobble up more.
This is very true. It has happened so many times.
One example of the top of my head: the collapse of the USSR.
Another example off the top of my head: the creation of the USSR.
yep, violent revolution rarely ends with better conditions for the people
Apart from you very ignorant take:
Who do you think makes revolutions turn violent? The revolutionaries, or the people trying to stop them?
It was me. I was the destroyed system. /s
Like what happened in every capitalist crisis in the last 70 years? O.o
Purges?
When we taking (this) system?
You talking about the ruling class (defined by its ownership of all things)?
(Either way a purge would be just taking away things they shouldn’t own anyway)I don’t think purging by political affiliation would directly change modern western systems, so dismantling such system isn’t by color, it’s ruling class vs everyone & everything else.
I’m thinking more about the plurality of Americans that aren’t on board, for whatever stupid reason. Until they are convinced, destroying the system won’t really stick, if it’s even possible.
Wouldn’t stick, but it would still take a century to get as bad is it currently is.
Maybe, unless the replacement is immediately worse based on who seizes control. It’s the devil you know vs the one you don’t.
No - I was saying that if you change the ruling class without changing the system the power again gets distributed a bit more evenly manner (eg USA 70 years ago vs USA today - same shit but slightly better wealth distribution).
Ofc not modifying the system just means the incentives & rules don’t change so you end up with same problems (or same magnitude of problems that never fully went away).
Again USA example, if everyone with over 10m moneys got that surplus distributed to others (fair-ish or not, ofc not perfect) nobody would immediately seize power, megacorps would get new management, politicians would be less sponsored, people had better lives & more free time & options (which includes getting involved in politics, actively or by voting, & seeking a job they enjoy).
Changing the system (so not what described immediately above) however would be a question if for a better system or if its just a power grab.
What does that have to do with “starting with purges”?
How are you dealing with those people? Converting them is incredibly time consuming, and has to be done individually.
I’ve come back around to the thought that even by the metric of working as intended, the system is broken
Yep the current capitalist world order benefits infinite extracting moneyed interests by mass exploitation and it must be completely destroyed.
I prefer the term “technofeudalism”
Let us hold hands and nuke ourselves I guess.
There is no perfect system, every system needs to be fought over, lest it gets overtaken by those working against you. Destroying the current system also destroys every benefit you already fought for.
Getting rid of monarchy famously destroyed all the benefits that enlightenment brought the people. /s
Yeah, and as we all know it goes very smoothly with no long running issues. France in the early 1790s was a great place for all, if memory serves.
So… are you pro or anti monarchy…? O.o
Anti-monarch, but anti-accellerationist too. I’m sure you can see what part I was responding to.
Destroying systems isn’t necessarily accelerationist.
Maybe not a necessity, but it’s there much more often than not.
Everyone talks about destroying the system, but not nearly as much about the systems that are to be built in its place or how to transition between them without mass violence that is wanted and encouraged by accelerationists to take down the system. Sure, community self defence networks help, but you’re still at the mercy of whatever shithead takes the reigns in the inevitable power vacuum. Especially if you can’t make/keep a large enough coalition to keep everything from falling apart into everyone’s personal fiefdom.
How are people supposed to solve these issues if they don’t feel like the current system is beyond reform? Defending the status quo will bring us nowhere.
“Destroying” has a pretty obvious connotation.
The connotationof fundamental critique? That the system is beyond reform? I’m not sure what you mean, so it can’t be that obvious.
Most monarchies didn’t get ‘destroyed’ and most peasants living under monarchies didn’t have much to lose to begin with. The world is much more interconnected now.
… just because the world is more interconnected doesn’t state anything about how much the people have to lose. Inequality in income is ridiculously high rn.
Careful, you’re going to make a lot of the dotworld liberals very upset with this one.
Welp
This laptop is bad. I should destroy it. This will give me a better laptop.
If the laptop’s is orking as intended by actively harming you: Yes, you should destroy it.
Reject technology. Return to monke.
Troll
The laptop is forcing us to work in meaningless jobs which destroy our natural environment under threat of homelessness, imprisonment and starvation if we do not comply.
Yes let’s destroy the fucking laptop.
My laptop is broken beyond repair, I will get myself a new laptop and recycle the old one.
Good luck with that.
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The purpose of a system is what it does
Yeah, it’s not late stage capitalism, it’s peak capitalism.
Damn ozma, hittin’ hard.
Yeah, but if you want to destroy the system you need to have the military on your side, and they won’t be, which means you’ll need to actually defeat them, which isn’t likely, unless you take a lot of bases… with an already existing trained force… all at exactly the same time… with a huge force… of loyal, extremely secretive, organized, huge, military…
Look, maybe if you’re A LOT more politically involved. Like running for office involved and you really work those wheels of progress things can gradually be improved. Seems less fantastical.
Capitalism will never be destroyed. Too many settlers would rather be in the middle class than stop it.
