Because I hate Electron
Docker, Distrobox, Toybox, systemd-nspawn, chroot.
Technically those all rely on the same kernel namespace features, just different ways to use it.
That’s also what Flatpaks and Snaps do. If you only care about package bloat, an AppImage would do too but it’s not a sandbox like Flatpak.
Don’t use docker with distrobox. Use podman instead as it is rootless and faster
Docker for servers and Rodman for home pcs
Podman goes well with Kubernetes. It also is more performant than docker.
I use both
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IIRC that’s the whole point of flatpak, snap and appimage
Docker can probably do it too, distrobox puts a useful wrapper on that
Nix does that kind of, nix packages aren’t isolated in that they can’t access resources on your system but all dependencies are stored in the nix store, hashed and isolated from eachother, and wiped when you collect garbage
Appimage doesn’t do deduplication of packages does it?
No, I apparently missed that but
Nix is the best solution anyway imo
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At that point, why still bother with Ubuntu?
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Luckily I use Arch (btw) so every Linux apps under the sun already available on the AUR, so I have 0 reason to use Snap/Flatpak
Yes
That’s called containerization
Go with one of the ready to use systems. Flatpak, Snap, AppImage. Snap is largely Ubuntu Ecosystem, Flatpak is independent. AppImage is an option if you do not need/want a Sandbox.
Stay away from Docker and LXC for this use case (graphical applications), they are much more work to get going.
Yes, Docker apps are more appropriate for servers and most apps are “made” to run 24/7 to serv the home or workplace.
They are very much worth the “work to setup” as they can be transfered/replicated to any system.
Flatpak and the alike are for running apps on a desktop/laptop.
Agreed. My answer was in the assumption that it’s about desktop apps as the OP mentioned Electron.
You can just use podman+distrobox
Simple and rootless
Distrobox
One way or another, if you want to run an application you are gonna need its dependencies (the key is the name)… they may be bundled into an appimage or come as part of flatpak ruintime, or be confined inside a container, or live in the nix store, but they will “bloat” your system anyway.
Learn how to cleanup your system (ie. uninstall all packages that are not needed by others that have been requested explicitly) and live a happy life. Only bother with other solutions if the software (or version) you need isn’t available for your distro.
You can use appimages, more importantly if you make a directory next to the appimage with the name of the appimage +
.homethe appimage will also set that as its$HOMEthat way you can also keep the configuration files of the app separated from the host OS.You can also sandbox appimages with aisap.
Both strange and not, tbh. On one hand, I understand the sentiment; on the other hand, installing more software with its own dependencies to isolate electron’s dependencies, and potentially installing twice those libs both electron and something else on your system depend on seems counterproductive (leaving the security benefits of containerization/sandboxing out of the question here, tho).
Why not Docker?
Because podman :)
Points for the correct answer. I work on systems for spacecraft and podman is what we use on those for containerization (better option for a couple reasons)… but we literally just SAY docker to the suits, because that’s what they’ve heard of. Which is why I said docker to this guy.
I heard of docker but I’m not really sure what it is, is it free? is it hard to set everything up? Can my computer handle it?
Docker and podman aren’t too bad nowadays I don’t think assuming you’re not running something huge
They are basically like throwaway mini-vms that contain one application to ensure it will always run no matter where so long as the machine you’re running them on can run docker
They can run CLI stuff just fine, I’m not sure about desktop apps someone smarter than me will probably tell you about that
Docker can absolutely run desktop apps.
FOSS lightweight ”virtual machine” (it’s not quite a VM but it’s similar conceptually. It’s much lighter on your system than a VM).
Easy to install, setting it up for your use case may take some coding if it isn’t common (bash scripting experience will help).
Docker and Podman are both free. Podman is the lighter weight, more FOSS, also slightly more DIY option, they are intercompatible - I work on systems for spacecraft and Podman is what we use on those because it’s lighter weight. If you want to run something in docker, ChatGPT is actually pretty good at talking you through the specific setup (at least that’s been my experience).
It depends on your usecase. We need more detail regarding what application (gui/cui/open source/proprietary/custom) you are trying to use
- Check if the application you want to use exists as snap/flatpak/appimage.
- If it exists, install the application as per their standard operating mechansim
- Once used, just remove them. Your original system libs are untouched
If the application doesn’t exist in those platforms, it’s a different story. You might need to use distrobox or docker. Don’t use nix because it’s overkill for what you want to do.
Distrobox is probably what you’re looking for.
Holy smoke this is it, I can’t believe I’m using Linux for 1 years and still haven’t heard of this software, I’ll give it a shot thanks you very much
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what do you mean you claim “more secure” here? secure in comparison to what, exactly?
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this idea lies on a complete misunderstanding. Linux, without extensive hardening efforts, is ootb much more insecure than either Windows or macos
I know this isn’t Reddit, but r/peopleliveincities… When 90% of desktop users use Windows, it’s going to both be the most targeted by malware developers and have the highest chance of being operated by someone who doesn’t understand enough about computers to recognize that the shiny calculator app that just popped up after visiting a very legit Nigerian prince’s crowdfunding page probably shouldn’t need admin access.
And speaking of user error, I’m willing to bet that basic security practices like using full disk encryption, SecureBoot, some MAC layer (provided by antivirus on Windows, AppArmor/SELinux on Linux) and regularly applying security updates are way more common over in the Windows land - if I was in a situation where there was one completely randomly selected Windows PC and one also completely randomly selected Linux PC, and my life depended on being able to gain access to either of them (some kind of really messed up Saw trap? idk), I would definitely bet my life on the Linux one being misconfigured.
Don’t get me wrong, Linux can make for a very secure and private OS, but most installs most definitely cannot be described as such - just look at the popularity of random unverified PPAs on Ubuntu derivatives or AUR packages on Arch.
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this owes to the fact that windows simply has exponentially more users and is therefore more valuable to target.
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do some research or something jesus lmao. Linux servers, on average, are much higher profile entities to target, typically has more eyes watching them for problems, and technically literate people administrating them. meanwhile your typical windows machine is used by non technical, every day users who do very little proper security practices and threat mitigations.
you get a better ROI targeting windows users than you do, Linux users. it’s really not difficult to understand
I’m thinking of using VM but I’m hoping to find a better solution
Short: Yes, of course. Long: Well, this is really a long answer, depending on your needs…
I’m only needed to run any apps that has bloat/redundant dependencies so I can remove it anytime I want without screwing up my entire OS ;D
Maybe check out nix. It can be installed on any distro and if you install (temporarily but cached) the app trough nix shell you can then just clean the dependencies with nix store gc.
Come to the dark side we have version controlled operating systems
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