100% in agreement that we need universal healthcare. I’m one of those people that feel like medicare for all is already the compromise.
Medicare sucks tho, doesn’t cover a lot, and requires huge copays.
None of which is necessary, and just adds overhead to the cost requiring higher costs for less care.
I feel like there’s just no reason not to have a national healthcare service that’s worth the tradeoff. People aren’t just going to line up for unnecessary procedures to exploit it, and once we get past the I ritual rush from everyone not being able to afford treatment, people would just act like in every other developed nation and get lifetime checkups so issues are caught and addressed early which both raise chance of survival and lowers cost of treatment.
Why aren’t you for that if every other option results in worse average care for more average costs?
Medicare … doesn’t cover a lot, and requires huge copays.
Worth asking why. The answer is that it’s not being funded well enough.
None of which is necessary,
Agreed.
and just adds overhead to the cost requiring higher costs for less care.
But this wouldn’t be the case if it were properly funded.
I feel like there’s just no reason not to have a national healthcare service that’s worth the tradeoff.
But that’s just it - if Medicare for all were properly funded, then wouldn’t it be worth the tradeoff?
Whats the alternative NHS going to look like, if it ends up with the same funding problem as Medicare? (Spoiler alert - it’ll look just like Medicare.)
So…if you have criticisms of how Medicare is run, then how, pray tell, do you expect the government to run a universal healthcare program? Maybe we should be pressuring people to fix Medicare. Because if we can’t fix Medicare, we can’t run a Universal Healthcare program. Besides. Imagine the backlash of being told you have to give up your platinum tier health insurance plan from those who like their platinum tier health insurance plans? Oh wait. You don’t have to.. That already happened and creamed Obama in 2010 and 2014.
As an aside, my favourite idea for fixing Medicare is to replace all government employee health insurance programs with Medicare coverage, and a mandate that the only healthcare you can receive is healthcare from Medicare, and if it’s available to you as a Government employee, it must be available to anyone else who uses Medicare. I figure that’ll change some tunes REAL fucking quick! Same with mandating Government employees, especially legislators and judges, use Social Security for their retirement plans. In my field, we call this ‘eating your own dogfood.’
Oh, so you don’t want to actually have the discussion you were prompting. OK! Good to know.
Dear reader, to answer this person’s question, I point this out to point out why you shouldn’t not vote for Harris just because she didn’t give you exactly what you want. One of two people will be President next year. One’s named Kamala Harris. The other is named Donald Trump. NOTHING will change this fact.
We can talk about how we can push Harris to be a better Democrat. In fact, we should. That’s how you get things done in a large nation like tthe USA, filled with people whose livelihoods will be impacted by your proposed changes! That’s what I was pointing out. This user didn’t want to have that conversation, but feel free and post here if you want to, and maybe, think about how wise it is to keep Harris out of the White House when the only other option is a tin-pot Twitler with delusions of grandeur.
Is that “you” in the final sentence asking why I, dharmacurious, am against it, or a more general “why is anyone” against it?
I am absolutely for it. Like I said, I feel like medicare for all is already the compromise. I want a full NHS, with a complete and total ban on private insurance and healthcare. Including dental and everything else.
Medicare sucks tho, doesn’t cover a lot, and requires huge copays.
None of which is necessary, and just adds overhead to the cost requiring higher costs for less care.
I feel like there’s just no reason not to have a national healthcare service that’s worth the tradeoff. People aren’t just going to line up for unnecessary procedures to exploit it, and once we get past the I ritual rush from everyone not being able to afford treatment, people would just act like in every other developed nation and get lifetime checkups so issues are caught and addressed early which both raise chance of survival and lowers cost of treatment.
Why aren’t you for that if every other option results in worse average care for more average costs?
Worth asking why. The answer is that it’s not being funded well enough.
Agreed.
But this wouldn’t be the case if it were properly funded.
But that’s just it - if Medicare for all were properly funded, then wouldn’t it be worth the tradeoff?
Whats the alternative NHS going to look like, if it ends up with the same funding problem as Medicare? (Spoiler alert - it’ll look just like Medicare.)
So…if you have criticisms of how Medicare is run, then how, pray tell, do you expect the government to run a universal healthcare program? Maybe we should be pressuring people to fix Medicare. Because if we can’t fix Medicare, we can’t run a Universal Healthcare program. Besides. Imagine the backlash of being told you have to give up your platinum tier health insurance plan from those who like their platinum tier health insurance plans? Oh wait. You don’t have to.. That already happened and creamed Obama in 2010 and 2014.
As an aside, my favourite idea for fixing Medicare is to replace all government employee health insurance programs with Medicare coverage, and a mandate that the only healthcare you can receive is healthcare from Medicare, and if it’s available to you as a Government employee, it must be available to anyone else who uses Medicare. I figure that’ll change some tunes REAL fucking quick! Same with mandating Government employees, especially legislators and judges, use Social Security for their retirement plans. In my field, we call this ‘eating your own dogfood.’
Why are you typing long replies to multiple of my comments within 15 minutes of each other on a 2 day old thread?
Do you really want to get in multiple simultaneous conversations with me?
Edit:
Jesus, you’re still going, people don’t have the energy for this, they’re just going to block you
Reply to edit: Then block me. I’m not going to stop replying to your nonsense, so you might as well just block me. ;)
Oh, so you don’t want to actually have the discussion you were prompting. OK! Good to know.
Dear reader, to answer this person’s question, I point this out to point out why you shouldn’t not vote for Harris just because she didn’t give you exactly what you want. One of two people will be President next year. One’s named Kamala Harris. The other is named Donald Trump. NOTHING will change this fact.
We can talk about how we can push Harris to be a better Democrat. In fact, we should. That’s how you get things done in a large nation like tthe USA, filled with people whose livelihoods will be impacted by your proposed changes! That’s what I was pointing out. This user didn’t want to have that conversation, but feel free and post here if you want to, and maybe, think about how wise it is to keep Harris out of the White House when the only other option is a tin-pot Twitler with delusions of grandeur.
Is that “you” in the final sentence asking why I, dharmacurious, am against it, or a more general “why is anyone” against it?
I am absolutely for it. Like I said, I feel like medicare for all is already the compromise. I want a full NHS, with a complete and total ban on private insurance and healthcare. Including dental and everything else.