• Mossy Feathers (She/They)@pawb.social
      15·
      6 months ago

      I find it fascinating that Janeway seems to swing between being everyone’s favorite and everyone’s most hated captain. I personally think she’s awesome and she’s one of my favorites.

      • ummthatguy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        15·
        6 months ago

        She’s amazing. Janeway’s the captain that faces a Kobayashi Meru every few episodes and keeps coming out on top (occasional losses in personnel and ethical/moral core notwithstanding).

        • Mossy Feathers (She/They)@pawb.social
          16·
          6 months ago

          Ye, I’ve heard one of the biggest complaints people have is that they feel like she plays into the “hysterical/impulsive woman” stereotype, but I don’t really see it that way. She’s a captain who got thrown into the abyss and is trying to get her way out. I’ve seen people comment on how she threw out the prime directive almost immediately, or that she made decisions that made their trip home longer; compared to Picard who never makes a mistake. Sure, she made some dumb decisions, but comparing her to Picard (who’s basically perfect) isn’t remotely fair.

          Picard is a highly decorated captain running the Federation’s flagship in possibly the comfiest position a federation officer can hope for; with a charisma strong enough to answer any conflict with “I think this was all just a big misunderstanding.”

          Janeway is a captain of a small ship with a crew intended to hunt down insurgents before getting iseki’d to the delta quadrant, killing a large chunk of the original crew and forcing her to team up with the insurgents.

          And yeah, of course she’s gonna throw out the prime directive; she’s going to throw out the entire book. Any good captain would immediately realize that Starfleet regulations work in “”“civilized”“” space, but the further into the unknown you go, the less the regulations make sense. Like, what, was she supposed to just sit there and wait for backup the moment they ran into a problem bigger than them? Yeah, that’s a great idea, we’ll just wait for Picard to swoop in and tell everyone it was just a big misunderstanding and then Janeway can be on her way. He’ll be here soon. Just aaaaanny day now…

          Imo, Janeway is a very human (and imo, badass) captain and it’d be more fair to compare her to Kirk than Picard, Sisko or most other captains; and imo she did a much better job than Kirk. At least she wasn’t being a sex pest to everyone they met.

          When Janeway wants something done, she gets it done, Jane’s way.

          • MaggiWuerze@feddit.org
            4·
            6 months ago

            Well put, she is my favorite as well. The whole setting is just so cool and somewhat what I expected/hoped S3 of DIS to turn into when they started with Burnham and Book alone on his ship…

      • marlowe221@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        6 months ago

        I thought Voyager had great characters - it was the only reason I watched the show. I always found the premise of the show to be very uninteresting. But that’s just my personal taste.

      • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 🏆@yiffit.netEnglish
        9·
        6 months ago

        The captain proton stuff made me think they should have done that episode with Naomi Wildman’s holodeck stories as a mix of live action and animation, like Mary Poppins or Who Framed Roger Rabbit. They don’t really have fun with what is possible in a holodeck that much. The black and white stuff in Tom’s always made me want to see more crazy stuff.

      • MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        6 months ago

        I love this nonsense side quest stuff that showcases how the characters want to have fun. It really adds to a character to know if their idea of a good time is bikini beach babes and cocktails or living out some Sherlock Holmes novel. It also allows for some humorous over the top antics and outfits!

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 🏆@yiffit.netEnglish
    15·
    6 months ago

    I like Kirk for being just an old school Hollywood action dude.

    I like Picard for his diplomacy skills.

    I like Janeway because she doesn’t fuck around.

    I like Sisko for all of the above, and also having the balls to sock Q in the face.

    • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
      10·
      6 months ago

      Oh definitely he would pick Kirk, without a doubt. :-P (/s b/c that’s not what you meant but… also not b/c that’s totally what Kahn would do)

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  • Sop
    5·
    6 months ago

    Both are gross towards women but Picard is a little bit less gross.

    • usernamefactory@lemmy.caEnglish
      7·
      6 months ago

      Nah, Picard was the gross one. He made the decision to date a subordinate in Lessons, and it ended with the woman in question transferring to another ship.

      Kirk pointedly kept it in his pants when it came to the women under his command (unless he was under the influence of an alien virus, or artificial memories, or personality altering transporter accident…)

      • Sop
        4·
        6 months ago

        I forgot about that episode. TOG was still more difficult for me to watch though due to the way Kirk talks about women when they’re not present and the way he watches them when they walk away. But it’s not a race, kirk and Picard can both be gross.