I think you really overestimate the “both parties are the same” group/impact. The Dems need to do more to capture and inspire votes. Stop blaming people for not voting for them. You’re supposed to earn their vote with good policy. It’s not good enough to just be not as shite as the republicans.
I don’t think they are under-estimating, or even close. It’s like taking a solid b student and grading them next to the kid eating paint chips and torturing small animals and pretending it’s the same. Even in modern times, look at economic accomplishments of this admin, legislative accomplishments, etc. Fighting for things like a higher min wage (though it failed.)
Stop blaming people for not voting for them.
Fuck no. Every time in my life we’ve voted in Republicans it’s led to one catastrophe or another. Sure you can make an argument that Dems need to be pushed to the left, but the choices are between:
a) the party who isn’t improving your life fast enough
b) the party these days that are literal fascists responsible for multiple financial collapses at this point, millions dead from wars they start, failure to manage a pandemic, extreme wealth concentration, that is looking at our planet on fire and still doesn’t meaningfully acknowledge that our policy is causing it. Book bans, loss of bodily autonomy for half of the country, destroying education, ensuring discrimination in law, bringing back child labor.
If you’re voting republican in 2023 or not voting democrat, you’re a sociopath, billionaire (whoops said the same thing twice), or a fucking moron*. There is no path to a more progressive country that comes through allowing fascists to burn it all down.
* I suppose I could more charitably say “extremely, profoundly ignorant in a way that almost has to be a choice at this point.”
You heard it here folks, if you have any principle and vote green then you’re scum to this person and a sociopath.
Hope you like gagging on the dick of your corporate lobbied leaders. What a detestable way to interact with and view the rest of the world. I hate the republican party more than most but your brand of condescending neo-liberal piousness comes in close second.
You literally are shitting on everyone who isn’t already voting for your party in this comment and wonder why the Dems hemorrhage votes.
How about instead of spitting in the eyes of those more progressive or less informed than yourself you might wanna look at the glass house you’re sitting in.
Maybe there’s a little more nuance than your beyond idiotic reduction of the situation.
Edit: Oh yeah and fuck right off with that pathetic, “oh good little house elf will appreciate the meagre left wing policy. Change doesn’t come overnight, I must love the piecemeal changes and accept that this is just how it is.” We’d still have segregation and women wouldn’t vote if history was made of spineless people like you.
Lol, I guess I should have led with "extremely, profoundly ignorant in a way that almost has to be a choice at this point” for all of the reading comprehension in this post.
Aside from the fact that I am far more left than the democratic party and your base assumption about me and the point of my post is woefully far off, I would really love some answer to a very basic question:
What has the effect been for left/progressive policy from sitting out elections or voting for third party/independents?
While left/progressives sit over here and go “oh I don’t like this candidate because they voted for this policy in '92 that was bad for beluga whales” the right will line up and dutifully vote for a rapist that tried to overthrow democracy as long as they have an R next to their name.
You talk about misrepresenting views and then you pull this out your arse:
92 was bad for beluga Wales
How about Citizens United?
How about Glass Steagall?
How about the drug war?
How about police reform, healthcare, corporate taxes. I could go on and on.
I feel like my analysis is pretty apropo considering how you’re not acknowledging the massive blind spot in issues that most of the USA agree on. And fuck off with picking out the worst perspectives picked out from your dissenters.
You don’t think I can pick out a list of headlines for the democratic party which has an even worse history than the greens! You don’t think you make some concessions to vote for them?
That’s the thing for me though, you’re so condescending and write off everyone else but those who toe the line for your team. You can’t even approach the conversation with the honest position that there’s good people who can disagree politically with you. Exuding the fart sniffing ego that has turned so many of the working class away from the democrats.
I mean there’s a thousand different executive actions Biden could’ve taken at this point? Maybe a better platform to run on that inspires hope a bit better. Christ, I really don’t understand the ball-licking of these neo-liberal politicians like they’re gods gift. Are you all out of your minds?
Student Debt
National Healthcare
Ending lobbying/citizens United
Voter reform/gerrymandering fixes
Ending drug war
A new new deal
Absolutely anything to inspire better than this limp dicked nonsense. It’s a bunch of corporatist twats bowing to company interests at every turn.
I think you really overestimate the “both parties are the same” group/impact. The Dems need to do more to capture and inspire votes. Stop blaming people for not voting for them. You’re supposed to earn their vote with good policy. It’s not good enough to just be not as shite as the republicans.
I don’t think they are under-estimating, or even close. It’s like taking a solid b student and grading them next to the kid eating paint chips and torturing small animals and pretending it’s the same. Even in modern times, look at economic accomplishments of this admin, legislative accomplishments, etc. Fighting for things like a higher min wage (though it failed.)
Fuck no. Every time in my life we’ve voted in Republicans it’s led to one catastrophe or another. Sure you can make an argument that Dems need to be pushed to the left, but the choices are between:
a) the party who isn’t improving your life fast enough
b) the party these days that are literal fascists responsible for multiple financial collapses at this point, millions dead from wars they start, failure to manage a pandemic, extreme wealth concentration, that is looking at our planet on fire and still doesn’t meaningfully acknowledge that our policy is causing it. Book bans, loss of bodily autonomy for half of the country, destroying education, ensuring discrimination in law, bringing back child labor.
If you’re voting republican in 2023 or not voting democrat, you’re a sociopath, billionaire (whoops said the same thing twice), or a fucking moron*. There is no path to a more progressive country that comes through allowing fascists to burn it all down.
* I suppose I could more charitably say “extremely, profoundly ignorant in a way that almost has to be a choice at this point.”
You heard it here folks, if you have any principle and vote green then you’re scum to this person and a sociopath.
Hope you like gagging on the dick of your corporate lobbied leaders. What a detestable way to interact with and view the rest of the world. I hate the republican party more than most but your brand of condescending neo-liberal piousness comes in close second.
You literally are shitting on everyone who isn’t already voting for your party in this comment and wonder why the Dems hemorrhage votes.
How about instead of spitting in the eyes of those more progressive or less informed than yourself you might wanna look at the glass house you’re sitting in.
Maybe there’s a little more nuance than your beyond idiotic reduction of the situation.
Edit: Oh yeah and fuck right off with that pathetic, “oh good little house elf will appreciate the meagre left wing policy. Change doesn’t come overnight, I must love the piecemeal changes and accept that this is just how it is.” We’d still have segregation and women wouldn’t vote if history was made of spineless people like you.
Lol, I guess I should have led with "extremely, profoundly ignorant in a way that almost has to be a choice at this point” for all of the reading comprehension in this post.
Aside from the fact that I am far more left than the democratic party and your base assumption about me and the point of my post is woefully far off, I would really love some answer to a very basic question:
What has the effect been for left/progressive policy from sitting out elections or voting for third party/independents?
While left/progressives sit over here and go “oh I don’t like this candidate because they voted for this policy in '92 that was bad for beluga whales” the right will line up and dutifully vote for a rapist that tried to overthrow democracy as long as they have an R next to their name.
But yeah, vote your principles! Go out there and vote for the green candidate! After all, look at how well that went towards advancing green principles - The party promotes green politics, specifically environmentalism; nonviolence; social justice; participatory democracy; grassroots democracy; anti-war; anti-racism; libertarian socialism and eco-socialism. All that got so much better thanks to the idealists who thought Hillary was a little too corporate or had a little too much resting bitch face.
You talk about misrepresenting views and then you pull this out your arse:
How about Citizens United? How about Glass Steagall? How about the drug war? How about police reform, healthcare, corporate taxes. I could go on and on.
I feel like my analysis is pretty apropo considering how you’re not acknowledging the massive blind spot in issues that most of the USA agree on. And fuck off with picking out the worst perspectives picked out from your dissenters.
You don’t think I can pick out a list of headlines for the democratic party which has an even worse history than the greens! You don’t think you make some concessions to vote for them?
That’s the thing for me though, you’re so condescending and write off everyone else but those who toe the line for your team. You can’t even approach the conversation with the honest position that there’s good people who can disagree politically with you. Exuding the fart sniffing ego that has turned so many of the working class away from the democrats.
Okay.
How do you propose Democrats accomplish things while stonewalled by Republicans?
I mean there’s a thousand different executive actions Biden could’ve taken at this point? Maybe a better platform to run on that inspires hope a bit better. Christ, I really don’t understand the ball-licking of these neo-liberal politicians like they’re gods gift. Are you all out of your minds?
Absolutely anything to inspire better than this limp dicked nonsense. It’s a bunch of corporatist twats bowing to company interests at every turn.