“Federal Election Commission records show Stein paid $100,000 in July to a consulting outfit that has worked with Republican campaigns, as well as Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s independent presidential bid. The firm, Accelevate, is operated by Trent Pool. The Intercept reported that he appeared to be part of the mob that breached the grounds of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6., 2021. The Journal hasn’t independently verified the reporting.”

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    Are the democrat candidates not shills themselves?
    That being said, fuck Jill Stein for squandering the Green Party. She needs to go away

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      Who are they shilling for? See, Comrade Stein is shilling for Russia. As we know- there is a connection. But who exactly would the democrats be accused of shilling for?

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        But who exactly would the democrats be accused of shilling for?

        Netanyahu. AIPAC bought two candidates right out in the open. The party welcomes foreign interference against progressives.

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          Israel paid directly for two candidates and committed FARA violations? That’s a big claim buddy. Got any… Evidence?

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            AIPAC paid to defeat Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush. If you want to believe that AIPAC is actually independent of Israel, I can’t make you stop believing absurdities.

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              I know what AIPAC is. Your claim is that they have direct funding from the government of Israel. That’s illegal. You are allowed to set up a lobby group in the US that supports another country as long as the funds are obtained from within the US.

              I know this might come as a shock to you, but there are many jews living in the US that happen to support Israel. You are welcome to set up any lobby group you want. Go ahead and set one up for Lebanon. But FARA is very clear about the source of the funds.

              If youre not familiar with FARA take some time to acquaint your self? Or talk to a lawyer maybe? I don’t know.

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                Your argument in favor of foreign interests interfering in US elections is essentially “well, it’s perfectly legal, and if you don’t like it, help another foreign interest interfere in US elections.”

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                  Are you doing it on purpose? It seems you’re trying really hard. Like really hard.

                  That’s not my argument. I think it’s clear to everyone else reading you’re doing it on purpose so I’m out. Cheers.

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                    That’s not my argument.

                    Then what is? It’s fine to buy candidates as long as your PAC has the fig leaf of US funding when it operates on behalf of a foreign government? Because that’s what happened. Israel didn’t like the incumbents. AIPAC spent loads of money on their challengers.

                    Back in 2022, we were told that when the party propped up the anti-choice, pro-nra, anti-labor Henry Cuellar against his progressive challenger Jessica Cisneros, it absolutely wasn’t because he was a centrist and she a progressive. It was that the party protects its incumbents in order to maintain the incumbency advantage and the proven track record for winning.

                    But we just saw the party do absolutely fucking nothing at all to protect the progressive incumbents Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush, while their opponents took boatloads of cash from AIPAC to sink them.

                    As far as I’m concerned, the party supports Netanyahu’s ongoing genocide, and in exchange AIPAC spends heaps of money in opposition to progressive incumbents that party leadership refuses to protect.

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              I can’t

              That’s really all you have to say. We know you can’t back up your claims with evidence already.

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            Yes, you find 14 pages of dead Palestinian infants to be the funniest shit ever. The perpetrator of the ongoing genocide in Gaza bought candidates for you.

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              No, I find your bullshit false accusations to be funny. Especially when it’s backed up by quite a lengthy mod log of removed misinformation and bullshit trolling attempts.

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                I have no sock puppet accounts. If I Had sockpuppets, my comments would have more upvotes and a lot more genocide supporters would have more downvotes. Only one comment I’ve ever made has been (unjustly in my opinion) removed as misinformation.

                You’re just mad that I didn’t immediately shut up when you used “hilarious” as a rebuttal. Now you’re responding to my comments multiple times, spouting conspiracy nonsense, and going through my comment history to stalk me into other threads.

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                  News flash bud…. There’s no genocide supporters here. But ironically, I did see you get bent out of shape when someone accused you of being a Trump supporter.

                  Hypocrite.

                  If you can’t take it- don’t dish it.

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                    There’s no genocide supporters here.

                    You stood up for a genocide denier in the thread you followed me into on another community.

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              Look at that! Four upvotes within mere minutes on a completely dead end comment chain! You’re about as authentic as they get bud!

              No amount of suck puppets will make the shit you say appear any less stupid.

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          Comparing Russian influence on a compromised asset to lobbyists is a bit of a reach bud. But you do you!

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            Wow, wow. Have you seen Erin Brokovich? Do you think corporations have your best interest at heart? Triangle shirtwaist factory? OSHA? Johnson&Johnson gave generations of babies cancer with their talc. Just look up tort reform and tort cases. Watch the documentary Hot Coffee. Watch the documentary The Bleeding Edge about medical devices. How about the Oakville Blob scandal that happened during Clinton’s administration? What about social media companies and tech companies and the products they produce? Lead in baby food and Dollar Tree foods. The Nestle baby formula scandal. Thalidomide babies. Glyphosate being a neurotoxin that’s permeated our water supply. What about environmental impacts of our companies and how those are genociding more people than actual active war? What about P Diddy and Epstein and all their connections to literal business owners who fund and come up with many policies? Or earth being past 6 of 9 planetary boundaries?

            And think about how insurance companies lobbied to prevent Medicare for All policies and the best thing we could get was Obamacare. Or how price gouging has been shown to have happened with current inflation around fucking FOOD prices. Or how fucking taxes and tax breaks work for corporations compared to the rates in the 70s.

            Notice how all these things harm the general public? The very people our representatives should represent? Yeah, Dems are shills and have blood on their hands.

            They are literally killing us through abusive policies, inaction, medical neglect, starvation, climate change, and mismanagement. The Dems may be less fucked up than others, but they are absolutely fucked up.

            Clinton was buddies with Epstein. They are NOT “for the people.” They are for the status quo.

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                Yeah, have you seen one of the most famous cases about companies killing people and not having ypur best interests at heart? Erin Brokovich to this day does this work.

                Or if you don’t like that point - there’s literally dozens of other examples of corporate shittery.

                I’m going to guess you’re a massive sexist based on the comment you made though.

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                    It’s a testament to … the awful corruption in industry and lobbying.

                    Okay, cool. So you DO understand why I brought her up in a list about corporations and how they harm the public. She’s a great classic example. Glad you admitted many of my examples were classics that would be mentioned in academia because they are notable.

                    What analysis am I making that is “kindergarten level?” I thought you just said it was college level? Social studies 101, no?

                    I’ve existed online for a long time. I used to be afraid to openly be a woman. I know how people treat me when they think I’m a woman versus a man. Yes, you and that other person come across as blatantly sexist. Any time I get unwarranted vitriol, it’s pretty obvious because I used to not get it when I was pretending to be a man. I can see how people (including mods on this sub) respond to the men I’m arguing with, give them sooooo much leeway to call me names and argue, but if I fight back and don’t act like a submissive woman, they try to punish me to get back in line. Hence why all misogynists are fascists.

                    Like here. The original commenter asked: “What are Dems shills for?”

                    I answered - corporations.

                    Then they wanted to know, essentially, if being a shill for a corporation was as bad as being a shill for a foreign hostile nation (Russia). Ergo, I bring up many notable cases where corporations have harmed people. More Americans have died to corporations than to Russia.

                    This is just true. So what’s so offensive about it you have to malign me?

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            Totally fine so long as it’s our rich people who control politicians, just so long as it’s not foreign rich people.

            Nationalism is a hell of a drug.