JD Vance has suggested that American support for NATO should be predicated on the European Union not regulating Elon Musk and his X social media platform, formerly known as Twitter.

The Republican vice presidential nominee and Ohio senator claimed in an interview with YouTuber Shawn Ryan that a top EU official had threatened to arrest the billionaire if he allowed former President Donald Trump back on X.

“The leader, I forget exactly which official it was within the European Union, but sent Elon this threatening letter that basically said, ‘We’re going to arrest you if you platform Donald Trump,’ who, by the way, is the likely next president of the United States,” Vance said in the interview published last week.


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  • GiddyGap@lemm.ee
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    So what America should be saying is, if NATO wants us to continue supporting them and NATO wants us to continue to be a good participant in this military alliance, why don’t you respect American values and respect free speech?

    JD, buddy, what you don’t understand is that Europe’s free speech is far more free than the US.

    Americans have a tendency to think they have everything and everyone else has nothing. Until we go somewhere else and discover it’s the other way around.

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      Europe’s free speech is far more free than the US

      But not Europes FREEZEPEACH™! And freezepeach is all that matters

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        Its a race to the bottom as the police and surveillance states of the entire NATO block fill to bursting.

        Vance is bitching because an American company got on the wrong side of the European security state today. Tomorrow, he’ll be clamoring to shut down the BBC or to censor some German metal band for being critical of his Dear Leader.

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      Americans have a tendency to think they have everything and everyone else has nothing. Until we go somewhere else and discover it’s the other way around.

      Obviously healthcare and education are things they are pretty much guaranteed that we don’t have. They have better worker protections. I mean I’m not against gun rights, but what we have in the States is an embarrassment. I’m sure there are several other issues that I’m not thinking of right now or don’t know about, but I didn’t know we had worse free speech than Europe.

      What makes Europe free speech more free than ours?

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        What makes the US have more free speech?

        Legally all EU countries have freedom of expression enshrined in their constitutions.

        Culturally I find Americans blind to any non governmental censorship. Since it’s legal its OK.I believe not allowing private companies to censor people is absurdly considered a violation of free speech.

        There are obvious results as well: the US is way less politically diverse.

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        I’m not who you asked, but I often think of supression tactics against forms of free speech used in the US that some countries in the EU do less. Not all of them (UK online speech policing and arrests as a counterexample), but voter supression, union busting, and law enforcement response to protests have been handled in various countries in ways I consider more free for the citizens.

        TLDR: Intimidation tactics and biased response happens less in other countries.

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        What makes Europe free speech more free than ours?

        The gist: While free speech is a constitutional right in both the US and most European countries, free speech is now controlled to a large degree by social media companies in the US.

        Here’s a good, short recap of a longer study on the subject from a US scholar: https://news.ku.edu/news/article/2020/01/11/study-analyzes-american-other-free-speech-traditions-suggests-inevitable-clashes