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Too much stock? Your bodily autonomy is being removed, under overt threat of further violence if you resist. It’s humiliating if seen in that condition because of assumptions people make. For someone who has done nothing wrong why the fuck wouldn’t they be indignant?
Perhaps if you don’t understand what police officers go through, I could see it. People do make assumptions yes, but those assumptions go away pretty damn quickly when people see you being uncuffed too.
Me too, and I knew that they at least had a reason to think I was up to no good (I was not), it’s not the same as literally minding your own business in your own home and having them barge in. Not really apples to apples to this situation here.
Perhaps I’m guilty of omission, if you were cuffed and thrown to the floor for no reason, I could understand being angry, however if you are explained why you are being detained which as I said, I think this case was handled right, can’t say I understand german so perhaps i am mistaken, there is no reason why you should feel humiliated.
every time I have witnessed, or was handcuffed myself, the reasons were always explained, specifically in my case, I was told I was being detained and restrained for the safety of the first responders.
I don’t disagree with you about this specific case, I was reacting to your “people put too much stock in being cuffed.” Removing another person’s bodily autonomy under direct threat of violence is just another day for police, but for the rest of us it’s a pretty fucking traumatic thing to be on the other end of.
Perhaps if you don’t understand what police officers go through, I could see it.
I understand they can pick a different job if it’s too much for them, and that they knew what the job entailed when they picked the career in the first place.
Removing another person’s bodily autonomy under direct threat of violence is just another day for police, but for the rest of us it’s a pretty fucking traumatic thing to be on the other end of.
I don’t think it’s traumatic at all if the police handle it right, as I predicated earlier. Police in most cases don’t need to throw you to the ground, don’t need to scream at you etc. It does happen yes, and it absolutely shouldn’t happen unless there is an extremely good reason for it. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen. I’m specifically saying, if the police handle it right, it’s not traumatizing nor humiliating
And I’m saying, even if they are polite, they are polite because I comply. If I don’t really want to be in handcuffs right then - doesn’t matter. If I’ve got an important appointment or was about to leave to pick up my child from school before police arrived to “make sure I’m not a threat” - doesn’t matter.
Your options at that point, even as someone who has done nothing wrong are comply, or expect violence. THAT is inherently traumatic.
I’m not sure whether that being traumatic is a good thing or a bad thing, but if something like that is the extent to which someone could get trauma, I can only suspect they have lived quite the good life I suppose.
Wow what a dodge. It doesn’t matter the extent of the trauma or whether it’s the worst trauma they have had. You are minding your own business, have done nothing wrong, then the cops show up with a random accusation and “need” to put you in cuffs while they determine if you are a threat. Comply or violence. It’s not right.
Of course it isn’t right. When did this become right or wrong? It’s about traumatic or not. There are lots of things in life you have to deal with that aren’t right. They’re very wrong oftentimes, but you deal with that. Being traumatized over something like that is just insane.
I would get being upset with it maybe for a couple days. But having a long lasting mental injury because you got handcuffed is… Impressively weak.
I am absolutely not a cop. I am a computer technician. Always have been, always will be. Pretty dumb assumption to make.
I don’t have a lack of imagination nor a lack of empathy. I’m sorry, but the vast majority of people will not have a long lasting mental injury because they have been respectfully handcuffed. Now if they haven’t been respectfully treated, then yes, I could see that, but as I have implied multiple times and explicitly stated a few times now, if a cop properly tells you why you are being detained and restrained, does so without being violent etc. the chances of that being traumatic IE. “causing severe and lasting emotional shock and pain” or “psychologically or emotionally stressful in a way that can lead to serious mental and emotional problems” is not going to happen unless you have some pre-existing mental conditions regarding how someone handles stressors.
Perhaps if you don’t understand what police officers go through, I could see it. People do make assumptions yes, but those assumptions go away pretty damn quickly when people see you being uncuffed too.
Perhaps I’m guilty of omission, if you were cuffed and thrown to the floor for no reason, I could understand being angry, however if you are explained why you are being detained which as I said, I think this case was handled right, can’t say I understand german so perhaps i am mistaken, there is no reason why you should feel humiliated.
every time I have witnessed, or was handcuffed myself, the reasons were always explained, specifically in my case, I was told I was being detained and restrained for the safety of the first responders.
I don’t disagree with you about this specific case, I was reacting to your “people put too much stock in being cuffed.” Removing another person’s bodily autonomy under direct threat of violence is just another day for police, but for the rest of us it’s a pretty fucking traumatic thing to be on the other end of.
I understand they can pick a different job if it’s too much for them, and that they knew what the job entailed when they picked the career in the first place.
I don’t think it’s traumatic at all if the police handle it right, as I predicated earlier. Police in most cases don’t need to throw you to the ground, don’t need to scream at you etc. It does happen yes, and it absolutely shouldn’t happen unless there is an extremely good reason for it. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen. I’m specifically saying, if the police handle it right, it’s not traumatizing nor humiliating
And I’m saying, even if they are polite, they are polite because I comply. If I don’t really want to be in handcuffs right then - doesn’t matter. If I’ve got an important appointment or was about to leave to pick up my child from school before police arrived to “make sure I’m not a threat” - doesn’t matter.
Your options at that point, even as someone who has done nothing wrong are comply, or expect violence. THAT is inherently traumatic.
I’m not sure whether that being traumatic is a good thing or a bad thing, but if something like that is the extent to which someone could get trauma, I can only suspect they have lived quite the good life I suppose.
Wow what a dodge. It doesn’t matter the extent of the trauma or whether it’s the worst trauma they have had. You are minding your own business, have done nothing wrong, then the cops show up with a random accusation and “need” to put you in cuffs while they determine if you are a threat. Comply or violence. It’s not right.
Of course it isn’t right. When did this become right or wrong? It’s about traumatic or not. There are lots of things in life you have to deal with that aren’t right. They’re very wrong oftentimes, but you deal with that. Being traumatized over something like that is just insane.
I would get being upset with it maybe for a couple days. But having a long lasting mental injury because you got handcuffed is… Impressively weak.
Given your posts, I’m thinking you are a cop. This post certainly shows the absolute utter lack of imagination and empathy that cops have.
You should have become a fire fighter if you wanted people to admire your self sacrifice.
I am absolutely not a cop. I am a computer technician. Always have been, always will be. Pretty dumb assumption to make.
I don’t have a lack of imagination nor a lack of empathy. I’m sorry, but the vast majority of people will not have a long lasting mental injury because they have been respectfully handcuffed. Now if they haven’t been respectfully treated, then yes, I could see that, but as I have implied multiple times and explicitly stated a few times now, if a cop properly tells you why you are being detained and restrained, does so without being violent etc. the chances of that being traumatic IE. “causing severe and lasting emotional shock and pain” or “psychologically or emotionally stressful in a way that can lead to serious mental and emotional problems” is not going to happen unless you have some pre-existing mental conditions regarding how someone handles stressors.
Whew. OK man. Have a nice day.