In the past, we’ve had issues with women suffrage, slavery, and sanitation, among many other things.

Today we have gun control, AI, intended/unintended false information, vaccines, etc. as consistently hot topics.

In a few decades’ time, what views do you have now that may spark major social debate in the future? What conservative and/or progressive stances do you take today that might be too far on either extreme in the far future?

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    I’m not a vegan or vegetarian, but I think anything related to animal rights and eating meat will probably be controversial in the future. We can lab grow meat, but you still choose to kill an actual animal for food? Canceled in 2050. Rightfully so I’d even say.

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      I think most of us meat eaters are in that boat honestly, I like eating it but I’d be much happier if I knew it was cruelty free or outright lab grown. The holdouts are just going to be weirdos and/or rich people.

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      I agree, and I wonder when stuff like this will begin to happen.

      Also, I think that once the average person finds out just how smart aquatic life is, we will look back at stuff like sea world with more disgust than we already do.

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        I think it will be within a generation or two.

        I know, grandpa eats real meat, that’s not nice and i don’t want you to do it, but he grew up in another time, so we have to make allowances.

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        I had a very awkward moment when I was talking about how intelligent octopus obviously are, and looked down and remembered I was in the middle of eating takoyaki 😓. I just want lab grown meat ASAP.

    • Yeah I’m not a vegetarian, but if lab grown meat were widely available at a reasonable price I’d think a little poorly of people that went out of their way to eat the remains of a sentient being instead.

      I’ve already swapped a lot of my meat consumption to meat alternatives like beyond meat and impossible and so on

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      It’s really hard to give up meat completely for me so I am trying to at least cut back by eating meat only every other day. Hopefully we can just move to lab grown meat that’s not detrimental to the environment so that I can enjoy meat without guilt again.

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    A person’s right to assisted suicide.

    A few countries have this already, and I think 1 or 2 states may have it decriminalized. But I wish it were less of a taboo subject.

    It’s ok and even seen as being responsible when we make these decisions for our pets, yet if you want to make the same decision for yourself, you must not be thinking straight.

    I have not had and do not have thoughts of suicide, but I have been caregiver to several family members and been witness to the end of life stage.

    We should be able to decide for ourselves at a certain point that it’s time to go.

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      We have it in Canada. Conservatives hate it and love to point to a small percentage of abuse of the option however it has really helped alleviate stresses for families and people suffering from terminal illness.

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    The ever encroaching “tough on crime” stance. Politicians push to make more and more things criminal and with worsening penalties. Many punishments seem disproportionately cruel or long for the crime. It’s political suicide to say that we should treat our felons better or to reduce sentencing right now.

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    I fervently believe that the best if not only way to reliably reduce crime (including that committed by abusive cops) is restorative justice, but the vast majority of people still consider the necessity of penal justice (and in some places like the US even penal SLAVERY) to be so absolute that it might as well be a law of nature rather than the system that best serves the rich and powerful.

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        Punishment is rewarding to the punisher. This distorts almost all human thinking on the subject.

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      You habe to have both. People mold their behavior around incentive structures. If you give them the incentive to commit crime, they will commit crime. If you give them the incentive to do better, they will do better.

      Then again you also shouldn’t have bullshit laws that punish people for things that hurt no one but themselves, like the war on drugs. If they do something to hurt someone while doing drugs, that’s what we have all the other laws for.

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        You really don’t have to have both, though.

        Incarceration and (in especially barbaric jurisdictions) penal slavery, torture, and state-sanctioned murder are largely ineffective disincentives against doing bad or otherwise undesirable behaviour that do nothing to incentivise good or otherwise desirable behaviour.

        In fact, they often directly or indirectly CAUSE more of the former while making the latter much more difficult if not impossible.

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        By taking drugs, people are teaching children that drugs are cool, incentivizing them to ruin their lives. And they give money to drug dealers, who try to get as many people addicted as possible.

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          That’s a pretty short sighted view. One that relies very heavily on drugs are bad, never do drugs. And takes all discussion away from types of drugs and the differences between them.

          Some drugs have the potential to ruin your life, anyone who has witnessed that knows that these drugs aren’t “cool.” Watching someone struggle with addiction is terrifying. Other drugs have risks, but can be fun and taken with relative safety.

          We should be teaching personal responsibility, safe use, and moderation of these drugs. It’s your consciousness and should be your right to alter it as you choose.

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            Some drugs have the potential to ruin your life

            Any addictive drug has this potential.

            anyone who has witnessed that knows that these drugs aren’t “cool.”

            The problem is that people, usually children, are introduced to drugs without knowing the dangers of addiction. By who? By dealers and new users.

            Watching someone struggle with addiction is terrifying.

            Yes, I find it so terrifying that I’d like to prevent it from happening.

            Other drugs have risks, but can be fun and taken with relative safety.

            If you mean non-addictive drugs like psilocybin, I was obviously not talking about those and I support them being fully legal.

            It’s your consciousness and should be your right to alter it as you choose.

            People don’t exist in a vacuum. Our actions have consequences for others.

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          Some drugs can help people and heal them physically, emotionally, spiritually, and some drugs will destroy your life in a downward spiral of physical addiction.

          Kids reading this: don’t do heroin, meth, cocaine, opioids, random prescription meds, alcohol, or cigarettes.

          Do however do pot and magic mushrooms. Buy federally legal hemp flower if you live in non-legalized pot state and grow your own mushrooms from spores. DARE and the war on drugs was a failure, use your own judgment and be responsible adults.

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    Circumcision is immoral, religion can be a serious social harm, the use of AI in art should be prohibited or at least frowned upon

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    Disability rights, equal access to nutrition (not just edible items but actually nutritious food), equal access to electricity especially for cooling.

    I suspect the resource wars will ramp up with climate change, driving a lot of international conflict of all types.

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    Religion gas to go. The way we rarm animals is barbaric. People should be able to pull the plug if they don’t want to live anymore.

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      Once lab grown meat is common, farms will seem even more cruel to people of the future.

      I know religion seems like an obvious scapegoat for a lot of problems, but gassing them seems a bit extreme 😜🤣

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        Or maybe they wanted to be able to huff religion gas at home rather than at the restaurant/church?

        First it’s religion gas to go, then religion gas drive-ins and the next thing you know, people will be reheating religion gas in their own microwave, almost completely cutting profiteering billionaires out of the process!

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    This is an old one for many countries…but I fear a housing crisis in Germany.

    Right now it’s not as prevalent as in the us for example but there are no steps taken to prevent it becoming a major social issue.

    • Construction industry suffers from high prices and a lack of workforce
    • The only housing that is being worked on are luxury properties
    • Infrastructure development in rural areas where housing is still affordable is not progressing
    • Regulations and hurdles for new buildings are more difficult and complex than anywhere else
    • Real estate ownership is often only possible through inheritance/generational wealth, as income is extremely highly taxed
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      Looks familiar. We already have the same issue in The Netherlands (Hi neighbour).

      1st time buyers can’t get a house as they are to expensive, current owners can’t move on as they 1st need to sell before they can buy something (and hope that the selling prize covers the mortgage costs), social letting (entry level) has an issue with availability of houses and most others for the letting market are in the unregulated market and those houses are being sold off as the letting out of houses in that market is being regulated so much that it’s not economical anymore.

      On top of that, it’s to expensive to build new houses and the country is already needs 1m houses in the next few years. Due to this the right wing is hammering on stopping refugees entering the country when they are about 5% of the immigration issue. (expats are the other 95%)

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      If someone injures you through a false statement of fact you can sue them for libel.

      It is hard to do more than that without encroaching on free speech: people are entitled to their opinions. That said , free speech is not absolute and has linits.

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      Seems like conspiracy statutes tend to cover lying pretty well, and lying under oath is perjury. What other ways could lying be covered?

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    Honestly, not that far into the future I think more and more people will be consuming various forms of media acknowledging in very scientific and real terms the end of the human race.

    All the attempts at curbing global climate change will finally be acknowledged as being a pipe dream and even the ultra wealthy will come to see that they won’t survive in their bunkers and instead will die like the rest of us.

    I also hold a very dark view that the end of human existence is not the end of human suffering, but that’s a tale for another day.

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      I also hold a very dark view that the end of human existence is not the end of human suffering, but that’s a tale for another day.

      And today’s that day! Go on…

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        I believe that the suffering you impart on other beings during your lifetime is directly experienced after death.

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            More or less, but not so direct. The dark part is that I don’t believe you have to have had a direct involvement with the suffering, it can be very indirect and you’ll still go through the suffering anyways.

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      Personally I’m the opposite, I feel like even if we can’t stop CO2 emissions fast enough, there is always geoengineering to counteract it, and human brain uploading will probably be a thing by the start of next century? At which point humanity can basically live until the heat death of the universe, because of how durable electronics can be compared to squishy human flesh.

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    Here’s an issue that people won’t talk about that they need to: the right to commit crimes. Just because something is illegal doesn’t mean it’s immoral, and the growing belief on multiple fronts that a criminal justice system should be “perfect” is what’s driving a lot of the erosion of privacy rights, among other things.

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    I think in the near term there will be a lot more discourse about fatphobia/body types as a protected class.

    In the longer term, I think history will look back at current factory farming as absolutely barbaric.