• EnsignRedshirt [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      1 year ago

      Check out Stafford Beer’s viable system model. A little more abstract as it comes from a systems theory and cybernetics perspective rather than socialist, but cybernetics and socialism are a good combo. Good enough that the CIA had to coup the Chilean government over it, in any case.

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        I’ve been meaning to read some of his work. I should have found a VSM or Cybersyn diagram to include…

        Did you listen to the Morozov podcast series on it that just came out? I really enjoyed it

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          I haven’t! Adding it to the queue. I’ve delved into systems theory and management cybernetics through work. It’s dense, but not more than the typical recommended works of theory. Systems thinking is probably what led me down the path to socialism. I’m convinced that you can’t learn and apply systems theory properly without coming to the conclusion that Marx was right, or at least that liberalism is fundamentally non-viable.

          I remember I started seeing what amounted to inherent contradictions in the system without having the language to describe the phenomenon, so I was just sitting around with low-grade cognitive dissonance about everything. I got into the CTH podcast and subreddit and further texts, then the pieces came together about why the status quo ideology wasn’t making sense. Turns out it was all bullshit to begin with and now I can’t read the news anymore without getting frustrated.

          Anyways, cool diagrams! And thanks for the podcast recommendation. Love me some cybersyn.