Voters in two swing-state groups assembled by NBC News were more interested in the vice president after seeing the debate. Yet they still had questions.
I’ve decided undecided voters have low critical thinking skills and/or are attention seekers
I can’t imagine how people could see the dip right after she took back all progressive stances and not understand the easy solution is moving to the left…
But here we are bro
It’s 2024 and people constantly do irrational stuff.
She’s not going to gain any trump voters, there’s zero logical reason for Dems to move to the right. Except they think they can get away with being more to the right.
If they just wanted to win the election, Kamala would be out there for M4A, legal weed, affordable college plan that fixes the flawed system, and some good ole tax raises for the rich.
It’s literally that easy.
Obama wasn’t near that progressive, and he got a landslide and carried House and Senate.
I think it’s a bit more nuanced than that. At least some of these undecided voters seem like they’d otherwise be left leaning but they have the one issue (bad experience with abortion that they want to impose on everyone, or really don’t wanna give up their gun, etc) which is holding them back.
Of course it’s not like it’s the same one issue holding them all back - each one is different from the rest. Hence going more left and liberal - it feels right to us, but likely risk is that doing so could very well push some of these folks away.
That’s all and well in a normal election but - well, i think it’s obvious most of us regulars here that this election year is not that.
She’s not going to gain any trump voters, there’s zero logical reason for Dems to move to the right. Except they think they can get away with being more to the right.
While I can’t speak on the effectiveness of the strategy, I would point out that Harris et al. aren’t really aiming to recruit Trump voters. They’re more aiming for more traditional Reaganite Republicans, the “never Trump” people. Think of the type of Republicans like Dick Cheney. That’s the type of Republican they’re aiming for. They’re not aiming to convince an active Trump supporter to flip to Harris. They’re trying to get Republicans who don’t want to vote for Trump, who would otherwise stay at home, to instead vote for Harris.
My own parents fit into this mold. They’re in their sixties and voted for Republicans their entire adult lives, up until 2016. They voted third party in 2016, and in 2020 they switched over to supporting Biden, and now they support Harris and are voting for Democrats across the board.
Whether appealing to voters like my parents or trying to appeal to younger, more disaffected progressive voters is a better strategy, I can’t say. But the perennial problem of appealing to hard-core progressive voters is that they are incredibly fickle and often engage in self-destructive purity testing. Look at the leftist voters refusing to vote for Harris over the Palestine issue. Far-left voters have a tendency to find any excuse not to vote for a candidate. It’s Palestine this time around, but it could easily be something else. There’s always some issue that the main Democratic candidate has that some leftists will cite as a reason not to vote for the mainline Democratic candidate. In 2024, it’s Palestine. In 2020, it was Biden and the crime bill. In 2016, it was Hillary’s treatment of Bernie. Etc. There’s always a purity test violation a certain segment of far left voters will cite to vote against their own interests. They want a perfect candidate, and they will actively seek out any excuse not to vote for the mainline candidate. As no politician will share 100% of their views, there will always be some reason to not vote for them.
The reason Democrats often tilt to the right is that voters on the far left side of things are often short-sighted and incredibly fickle. They’re not reliable voters.
To be fair, it’s hard to criticise leftists for not voting reliably for the Dems if they keep moving right. I imagine your parents didn’t really become leftists, it’s just that Dems moved to where the Reps were decades ago.
Supporting a Holocaust-sized genocide is not really “any issue” either. The reason why it still makes sense to vote for Harris is not because that genocide does not matter, it’s that Trump would start another one on American soil while endorsing the former as well.
You’ve basically got the Goldman Sachs candidate, or Hitler from Wish. I hope people turn out for Goldman Sachs-lady, for all our sakes in the world.
I can’t imagine how people could see the dip right after she took back all progressive stances and not understand the easy solution is moving to the left…
But here we are bro
It’s 2024 and people constantly do irrational stuff.
She’s not going to gain any trump voters, there’s zero logical reason for Dems to move to the right. Except they think they can get away with being more to the right.
If they just wanted to win the election, Kamala would be out there for M4A, legal weed, affordable college plan that fixes the flawed system, and some good ole tax raises for the rich.
It’s literally that easy.
Obama wasn’t near that progressive, and he got a landslide and carried House and Senate.
I think it’s a bit more nuanced than that. At least some of these undecided voters seem like they’d otherwise be left leaning but they have the one issue (bad experience with abortion that they want to impose on everyone, or really don’t wanna give up their gun, etc) which is holding them back.
Of course it’s not like it’s the same one issue holding them all back - each one is different from the rest. Hence going more left and liberal - it feels right to us, but likely risk is that doing so could very well push some of these folks away.
That’s all and well in a normal election but - well, i think it’s obvious most of us regulars here that this election year is not that.
While I can’t speak on the effectiveness of the strategy, I would point out that Harris et al. aren’t really aiming to recruit Trump voters. They’re more aiming for more traditional Reaganite Republicans, the “never Trump” people. Think of the type of Republicans like Dick Cheney. That’s the type of Republican they’re aiming for. They’re not aiming to convince an active Trump supporter to flip to Harris. They’re trying to get Republicans who don’t want to vote for Trump, who would otherwise stay at home, to instead vote for Harris.
My own parents fit into this mold. They’re in their sixties and voted for Republicans their entire adult lives, up until 2016. They voted third party in 2016, and in 2020 they switched over to supporting Biden, and now they support Harris and are voting for Democrats across the board.
Whether appealing to voters like my parents or trying to appeal to younger, more disaffected progressive voters is a better strategy, I can’t say. But the perennial problem of appealing to hard-core progressive voters is that they are incredibly fickle and often engage in self-destructive purity testing. Look at the leftist voters refusing to vote for Harris over the Palestine issue. Far-left voters have a tendency to find any excuse not to vote for a candidate. It’s Palestine this time around, but it could easily be something else. There’s always some issue that the main Democratic candidate has that some leftists will cite as a reason not to vote for the mainline Democratic candidate. In 2024, it’s Palestine. In 2020, it was Biden and the crime bill. In 2016, it was Hillary’s treatment of Bernie. Etc. There’s always a purity test violation a certain segment of far left voters will cite to vote against their own interests. They want a perfect candidate, and they will actively seek out any excuse not to vote for the mainline candidate. As no politician will share 100% of their views, there will always be some reason to not vote for them.
The reason Democrats often tilt to the right is that voters on the far left side of things are often short-sighted and incredibly fickle. They’re not reliable voters.
To be fair, it’s hard to criticise leftists for not voting reliably for the Dems if they keep moving right. I imagine your parents didn’t really become leftists, it’s just that Dems moved to where the Reps were decades ago.
Supporting a Holocaust-sized genocide is not really “any issue” either. The reason why it still makes sense to vote for Harris is not because that genocide does not matter, it’s that Trump would start another one on American soil while endorsing the former as well.
You’ve basically got the Goldman Sachs candidate, or Hitler from Wish. I hope people turn out for Goldman Sachs-lady, for all our sakes in the world.
Same here.
Agreed. But also see above.
I feel like it’s an issue with the political system as a whole that it’s ended up like this, though…
I guess my point is that a (leftist) person is smart and pragmatic, but (leftist) people are impulsive and stupid.
God I hope the US gets its head out its ass and flushes that orange turd.