While China has a party moving towards socialism and is showing foresight by doing a lot for climate change and doing arguably-charitable development of African & Asian nations, does Russia do anything cool or good? Seems like they sell fossil fuels, promote intolerant beliefs, and happen to be opposed to the West
They do a lot to support global south countries like Nicaragua and Venezuela. Without Russia, these countries would be struggling even more than they already are. Might’ve even been couped by the US again.
They’re not communist by any means, but these days countries are united by their shared grievances against the West rather than ideological agreement. And really, that’s the biggest hurdle preventing the development of socialism (western meddling I mean)
Indeed. Russia will most likely be the next big “enemy of socialism” in the world after the western bloc collapses. The difference is that they’ll be much, much weaker than the whole western bloc and will struggle to prevent socialist uprisings in other countries (and hopefully, even in their own).
Okay, struggle session/tough comradely love time: we don’t write “RuZZian” here unironically. It’s a lib slur which – if you look at the way it’s typically used – is directed as much against the Russian people as their government. Don’t stoop to the libs’ level. (Erich Mielke moment ended).
But on a less antagonistic note : I honestly can see things in Russia going a couple ways as the result of this conflict. One is what you and @DamarcusArt have outlined, which is Russia becoming the next major anti-socialist power. This presupposes a relatively quick collapse of the western bloc. The other is that the world again coalesces into two relatively stable power blocs, and Russia moves in the direction of socialism, in fact if not in name. They will have to do this if they are to remain sovereign in the face of long-term western agression, because fighting imperialism on the basis of the national bourgeoisie is something never works in the long run. Venezuela tried it, and found they had to adopt socialism. The KPRF is to be criticized in many ways, but they still are a large party with many supporters.
There is a third possibility, and I really hope for the sake of the world and the Russian people it doesn’t happen: Russia keeps fighting the west, but also remains capitalist. The result will be collapse, balkanization, etc.
I use liberal slurs because I am a liberal. This is something I need to work on, because my first and only instinct when seeing an obstacle is to dehumanize it so that I can destroy it more easily. Frankly, I’m nervous to even participate in a party because I can only see myself being a wrecker, intentionally or otherwise.
I don’t have anything constructive to say to the rest of your comment besides I hope the third option doesn’t come to pass.
No worries, comrade – all of us, including yours truly, are a little bit liberal. It comes with growing up in a capitalist society. (Some of us have been even worse things: at the beginning of my political development, I pretty openly flirted with fascism, and was saved by a mentor who pointed out to me just how stupid I was being). You’re in a way better place than that – stay positive!
Happen to be opposed to the West is a massive oversimplification
They’ve shared lots of military knowledge and intelligence with China, DPRK, and Iran
They’re close and strong allies with China
They’ve indirectly fought against the West and defended countries from imperialism in proxy wars in Syria, Ukraine, and all over Africa
They’ve also proven that they can withstand the biggest sanctions the West can throw and still thrive, providing nations a reliable partner that isn’t aligned with the West
Opposing what had historically been the only superpower and the current world hegemony is enough really. That is a real big ask. Cause presumably all they would have to do is sell out to the west and they could have all the money they wanted you know?
Cause presumably all they would have to do is sell out to the west and they could have all the money they wanted you know?
You would think that, but 1991 and the following years tells a different story. The West is not willing to consider Russia friendly under any circumstances.
That is was to break the spirit of comunism. Now that the revolution there is broken I doubt that ideological controlls are tight enough here to keep the markets from going in if Russia allowed it.
Russia provides security to African countries in a way China is unable or unwilling to. Wagner is in Niger helping deter a French puppet invasion. Before that they were also in Mali and CAR doing similar things.
No doubt they’re doing it out of self interest and not charity, but I’m sure those African countries would rather have the military assistance than not.
While China has a party moving towards socialism and is showing foresight by doing a lot for climate change and doing arguably-charitable development of African & Asian nations, does Russia do anything cool or good? Seems like they sell fossil fuels, promote intolerant beliefs, and happen to be opposed to the West
They do a lot to support global south countries like Nicaragua and Venezuela. Without Russia, these countries would be struggling even more than they already are. Might’ve even been couped by the US again.
They’re not communist by any means, but these days countries are united by their shared grievances against the West rather than ideological agreement. And really, that’s the biggest hurdle preventing the development of socialism (western meddling I mean)
Just that really. The ruzzian regime must be promptly overthrown once it outlives its usefulness.
Indeed. Russia will most likely be the next big “enemy of socialism” in the world after the western bloc collapses. The difference is that they’ll be much, much weaker than the whole western bloc and will struggle to prevent socialist uprisings in other countries (and hopefully, even in their own).
Okay, struggle session/tough comradely love time: we don’t write “RuZZian” here unironically. It’s a lib slur which – if you look at the way it’s typically used – is directed as much against the Russian people as their government. Don’t stoop to the libs’ level. (Erich Mielke moment ended).
But on a less antagonistic note : I honestly can see things in Russia going a couple ways as the result of this conflict. One is what you and @DamarcusArt have outlined, which is Russia becoming the next major anti-socialist power. This presupposes a relatively quick collapse of the western bloc. The other is that the world again coalesces into two relatively stable power blocs, and Russia moves in the direction of socialism, in fact if not in name. They will have to do this if they are to remain sovereign in the face of long-term western agression, because fighting imperialism on the basis of the national bourgeoisie is something never works in the long run. Venezuela tried it, and found they had to adopt socialism. The KPRF is to be criticized in many ways, but they still are a large party with many supporters.
There is a third possibility, and I really hope for the sake of the world and the Russian people it doesn’t happen: Russia keeps fighting the west, but also remains capitalist. The result will be collapse, balkanization, etc.
I use liberal slurs because I am a liberal. This is something I need to work on, because my first and only instinct when seeing an obstacle is to dehumanize it so that I can destroy it more easily. Frankly, I’m nervous to even participate in a party because I can only see myself being a wrecker, intentionally or otherwise.
I don’t have anything constructive to say to the rest of your comment besides I hope the third option doesn’t come to pass.
No worries, comrade – all of us, including yours truly, are a little bit liberal. It comes with growing up in a capitalist society. (Some of us have been even worse things: at the beginning of my political development, I pretty openly flirted with fascism, and was saved by a mentor who pointed out to me just how stupid I was being). You’re in a way better place than that – stay positive!
Happen to be opposed to the West is a massive oversimplification
They’ve shared lots of military knowledge and intelligence with China, DPRK, and Iran
They’re close and strong allies with China
They’ve indirectly fought against the West and defended countries from imperialism in proxy wars in Syria, Ukraine, and all over Africa
They’ve also proven that they can withstand the biggest sanctions the West can throw and still thrive, providing nations a reliable partner that isn’t aligned with the West
Opposing what had historically been the only superpower and the current world hegemony is enough really. That is a real big ask. Cause presumably all they would have to do is sell out to the west and they could have all the money they wanted you know?
You would think that, but 1991 and the following years tells a different story. The West is not willing to consider Russia friendly under any circumstances.
That is was to break the spirit of comunism. Now that the revolution there is broken I doubt that ideological controlls are tight enough here to keep the markets from going in if Russia allowed it.
They’re doing great work fighting NATO right now, and taking out the anti-semitic trash from europe.
Russia provides security to African countries in a way China is unable or unwilling to. Wagner is in Niger helping deter a French puppet invasion. Before that they were also in Mali and CAR doing similar things.
No doubt they’re doing it out of self interest and not charity, but I’m sure those African countries would rather have the military assistance than not.
I think we all overestimate Russia’s power, now and in the last 70 years.
My thinking is that they spend a lot of energy on defending, there isn’t much left for progress.