In both the Soviet and Chinese famines, collectivized farms outperformed privately owned ones in terms of food produced per hectare. Without collectivization, those famines would have happened anyway, and they would have been worse.
Really? Why did they allow those private farms at all then? My understanding was that the farms that were collectivized only produced enough for themselves to eat, so they went back a little and said “okay, you can have SOME capitalism until we get it figured out”. How they figured it out was quotas, and hey, on paper it looks good. You just have to tell Stalin a good number. Somehow the store room’s still empty.
We already do, I implore you to learn how the omnibus agriculture bill that goes through congress each year actually works. Most food production is entirely government funded, but for some reason a bunch of “profits” also get skimmed off by big corporations. Rural America only exists because of farm subsidies (which isn’t a bad thing, it’s just dumb to pretend like it’s not collectivized and allow leeches to profiteer).
Government subsidies are not the same thing as collectivization. Collectivization implies collective ownership, under Capitalism what you have instead is usually consolidation, where large farms buy up smaller competitors and become less efficient over time. America’s approach to agricultural policy is how you get perverse incentives like speculators buying up land in order to collect government money to not grow anything.
Yeah, not doing volunteer farm work to give private people and corporations free work and profit.
If there were some state-owned ones that the food was used to feed public school kids or others on government programs, maybe.
But no way for someone else’s profit.
Plot twist: America does agricultural collectivization in the 2030s
yaaay finally the US can experience famine and starvation as well! 🎉
Finally? Did we forget the great depression and the dust bowl?
Not classified as a famine
Of course it wasn’t. The land of plenty could never suffer from a famine.
Listening to experts because they probably have good reasons for their classification 🙅♂️
Rejecting expert opinions because of my political “America bad” attitude ✅✅✅
In both the Soviet and Chinese famines, collectivized farms outperformed privately owned ones in terms of food produced per hectare. Without collectivization, those famines would have happened anyway, and they would have been worse.
Really? Why did they allow those private farms at all then? My understanding was that the farms that were collectivized only produced enough for themselves to eat, so they went back a little and said “okay, you can have SOME capitalism until we get it figured out”. How they figured it out was quotas, and hey, on paper it looks good. You just have to tell Stalin a good number. Somehow the store room’s still empty.
We already do, I implore you to learn how the omnibus agriculture bill that goes through congress each year actually works. Most food production is entirely government funded, but for some reason a bunch of “profits” also get skimmed off by big corporations. Rural America only exists because of farm subsidies (which isn’t a bad thing, it’s just dumb to pretend like it’s not collectivized and allow leeches to profiteer).
Government subsidies are not the same thing as collectivization. Collectivization implies collective ownership, under Capitalism what you have instead is usually consolidation, where large farms buy up smaller competitors and become less efficient over time. America’s approach to agricultural policy is how you get perverse incentives like speculators buying up land in order to collect government money to not grow anything.
Who said it’s volunteer work? They’d better be paying me
Your pay has arrived:
You work all day and what do you get?
They certainly didn’t say it was paid work.
Oh, sweetie, that is precious. You are and have been your entire life.
Here is a complete list of farm subsidies you are paying for. The totals are mind bogglingly huge.
https://farm.ewg.org/