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They are Japanese they don’t care about Xbox and PC. Also didn’t Sony gave them money for development?
then why are they whining ?
Shareholders being shareholders
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PC Port always come late because Japanese studios can’t be bothered to support m&k and pc features. Even a year of porting will result in shitty ports that will need months of additional patching.
Other than that one can buy exclusivity.
Being expensive to produce means there needs to be more units sold. Just because there’s 40 million possible customers, doesn’t mean those have the funds or interest in the game.
Which Squeenix game has ever met their expectations? Weren’t they also super disappointed with Tomb Raider and Hitman even though they moved millions of units.
It seems that SE is severely out of touch with the current state of the industry and where they are positioned.
It seems that SE is severely out of touch with the current state of the industry and where they are positioned.
Considering how hard they tried to push NFT crap the past two years, I believe it.
Especially since they thought selling all their western franchises off at bargain bin prices to go all-in on NFTs was a good idea, and they’ve been pushing them to date despite continued unpopularity. Decisions like that aren’t just out of touch, they’re downright stupid.
It wouldn’t surprise me if they ended up bought by Sony, considering their working relationship and poor leadership. Hell, I never bought FFVII Remake despite really enjoying FFXV, my first FF title, because of their business dealings. It was PS4 exclusive and I didn’t wanna play it at 1080p 30 FPS on my near-launch console at the time. I knew it was temporary and coming to PC eventually, so I waited. This was followed by being Epic exclusive and the first $70 PC title, so I waited for a launch literally anywhere else and a sale. Eventually that happened with a Steam launch, woo-hoo, except by that point I didn’t care as much as I did at launch and they had already given me the game as a PS+ title. Didn’t really feel like buying it when I already had access, didn’t ever even end up playing it, and now I have Intergrade’s PS5 version as part of PS+ Extra these days for when I get around to it. In my eyes, they’re kinda just standing in the way of their own sales in favor of taking whatever cash these companies are willing to offer them. I didn’t buy FFXVI either, because I still have VII RI in my backlog from all that shit.
Wow this sounds a lot like my outlook with Ff7 remake. I begrudgingly bought it on steam when it was on “sale” for the still too high price of $40, and when it was good it was great, but other than one mission it is just the story of Final Fantasy VII up through Midgar with a stupid amount of boring fetch quests to pad the time. Saying it is maybe 33% fun engaging game/story 67% boring fetch missions or “go kill this boring monster” over there is in my opinion being very charitable.
There have been 38M PS5s sold so clearly anything less than 38M copies of FFXVI sold is a complete failure.
Has square ever met any of their expectations? They always seem to over estimate everything. Any time they have a game release, it’s always followed with an article about how it didn’t meet sales expectations. You’d think if company leadership is that far off from expectations over and over, they’d re-assess, yet they never do.
According to Squeenix, what was the last game that actually managed to “meet expectations” according to them?
Nothing. I remember Tomb Raider sold like 7 mil and they were crying about it
And of course made the genius decision the next year to make the sequel Xbox exclusive for a year
That Tomb Raider thing was completely asinine. It was a quality reboot of a series that had gone horribly off the rails with a lot of promise and Square tanked it with completely unreasonable expectations, apparently expecting sales in the dozens of millions. And here we are with FF apparently not meeting expectations as well–it’s easy to see where the issue is, and it’s not with the games.
Off the top of my head, NieR: Automata was the last big one. Before that was the first Life is Strange.
There’s also Octopath Traveler, which is perhaps relevant here because that was a game that filled a need on a hot platform. Taking relative install bases into account, FF16 probably had a better attach rate than FF15 did at this point in its lifecycle. I’m sure SQEX was hoping for a much higher rate than that given the slow pace of exclusives developed solely for PS5.
I’m also going to speculate that, internally, there’s alarm over the Japan sales. SQEX is part of a group of Japanese publishers that have historically been very–if not unduly–sensitive to poor home performance.
I’m excited to buy it when it comes to PC, but my single-player rpg backlog is long already. I’ll probably end up waiting for a sale, which shouldn’t take too long if articles like this keep coming.
This will be my first single player FF since 10. I love XIV, so it seems to me that the hype of using the XIV team on this game wouldn’t add a huge amount of value to a PS5 exclusive release when the majority of XIV players are on PC, and others are still on PS4. It’s not like PC enjoyers and PS4-content players are going to go buy a PS5 just to play it early. They’re waiting for the port, then they’re waiting longer still for the port to be fixed.
After months of hearing about how Final Fantasy “needed” to become Devil May Cry because RPGs are dead, watching Buldurs Gate succeed and FF16 fall short of expectations is kind of cathartic.
Edit: I’m aware this Square’s projections, not actual sales. The point still stands that they made a shift in genre thinking they would unlock a wider audience than they got. Then a shit ton of think pieces and reviews and FF14 fans came out spouting this nonsense about how turn based RPGs are old hat and Square NEEDED to abandon it to hook modern gamers.
Then Boulder Gate drops and proves every single one of them wrong, while Square is wondering why they fell short.
FF16 sold really well though. Square Enix likes making unrealistic expectations for their games and they do it every time. I don’t think they even believe their expectations are real. The real reason for their share loss is increased operational costs.
Capcom was guilty of this 10-15 years ago with the infamous “Capcom test” where they would release a small project or re-release a game in a franchise they were floating around ideas for a new entry in, and if the small game or re-release didn’t sell basically like a new AAA game, the franchise didn’t get the new entry. This was part of how the company was basically reduced to only Resident Evil and Street Fighter for a time. Fortunately they eventually snapped out of it, probably when they realized you can’t make the kind of money you used to make when you’re effectively killing off all but two of your IPs due to stupid sales expectations. Square Enix will probably hit that point eventually as well.
Baldurs gate sold great for larian, those are square enix numbers, and not numbers that would cover the investment square makes into their games. You know this surely.
I’m sure you are also aware of how many turn based games square puts out every year? Spoiler it’s more than everyone else.
After months of hearing about how Final Fantasy needed to become Devil May Cry because RPGs are dead…
This sounds like a strawman to me. Maybe you meant that people were claiming that “JRPGs are dead”? In which case, holding up Baldur’s Gate 3 of evidence to counter that seems strange. But I haven’t heard anyone saying that RPGs in general are a dying genre.
The whole argument really is strange and all speculation. There’s plenty of areas where FFXVI and SE arguably fell short, but even by this guys own admission in his edit, the game met projections. If they were expecting to “unlock more,” those projections would have been higher.
If you look at their recent financial report this seems to be nothing to do with FFXVI as sales in that “HD Gaming” and “Merchandise” area are up. Literally every other area is down, even MMO sales (FFXIV).
Whether people like the game or not, it seems to have helped prevent SE suffer from a worse dip.
They really need to take a step back and remember why people enjoy the franchise. I enjoyed the characters and the gameplay but they keep changing it. 12 was the beginning of the end of turn based combat. I still like 12 but give us a mainline turn based game. It can be fun and people will like it. Just make good characters.
Yeah imo FF12 was the last legit FF game. FF15 is fine, but doesn’t feel at all like FF to me, and I have zero interest in FF16.
Thats surprising. FF16 is great
Ff is not meeting expectations since 8
14 vastly exceeded expectations and 16 is from that same team, which is probably why they set high expectations in the first place.
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It did sell well however, selling over 3.5 million copies in the first 10 days. I don’t know how high Squeenix’s expectations were but it’s wild they thought it would sell higher for a game that only released on the PS5.
This times 100. I’m a massive FF fan. While there is debate in my mind about the combat system, I can’t even play it because I don’t have a PS5.
Hoping to get one eventually but the PS4 and Switch still have value. If SE want my money, they’ll have to wait.
I can’t justify buying a PS5 for 1 or 2 games. Still waiting for a release on PC as well. But as soon as it releases elsewhere, I will buy it :).
Best selling game in Japan, 3.5+M units sold. What the hell did they expect?
Apparently they expected selling more than FFXV
The last numbered instalment, Final Fantasy 15, remains the series’ fastest-selling entry with 5 million units shipped and sold digitally in its first 24 hours alone. This was across multiple platforms, however.
The keyword of course being multiplatform.
Also, XV wasn’t well received, generally speaking. I’m sure there are at least a few people (like me) who decided to wait on this one, to be safe. A damaged reputation can cause tangible sales impacts
When that only other platform was Xbox, though, I doubt that total remotely compared to PlayStation sales.
I honestly think it’s just lack of trust in the series after 15 along with the economic times we’re in, where people don’t want to spend money on something they’re not 100% confident in. It also didn’t get the same media cycle as 15, and didn’t have strong nostalgia value to coast on like 7 Remake.
Have you heard of a little company called Disney?
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So that may explain their recent commitment to release games also on XBox.
Maybe they should release it on other consoles then.
I just couldn’t get into 16 at all, and this is from someone who loves everything right from the NES up to and including FF13 and 14.
Xenoblade has filled in the gap FF has left for me in many respects.
There is no single piece of media that has had more impact on me throughout my life than the Final Fantasy series. I enjoyed the first half or so of 15 so much that I thought for sure it would be my new favorite game of all time. It devolved into such a shit heap that I couldn’t even bring myself to play it post updates & DLC. It along with KH3 has left me sour on all of Square’s modern releases. I was pleasantly surprised by FF7 Remake and will play FF16 at some point. Even a mediocre Final Fantasy is better than what 15 gave us.
The dlcs in my opinion were great. My PS4 is shit so I haven’t played the final dlc but they were a unique experience. But yeah 15 was … It has good ideas. Also cup noodle.
The Remake is beautiful and isn’t a bad game, but every second that I’m playing it I keep asking myself “would I be having more fun playing the original?,” and every single time my answer is an immediate “yes.”
If they had kept the same gameplay mechanics (yes, including traditional turn-based combat), the Remake might have been my all-time favorite game. As it is, it’s just a very pretty shadow of what it could have been.
while I enjoyed playing it, it did get a bit tedious near the end, and fully keeping up with the story involved spending as much time in menus reading stuff as playing the rest of the game, 11 hours of which were cutscenes. edit: near the end I just couldn’t be bothered and started skipping all cutscenes and dialog just to be done with it.
