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Thou Shall Not Preorder
Good. Preordering games is the dumbest fucking concept. People need to stop doing this.
But what if they run out of digital copies?
But what if they offer a limited edition Gandhi skin
I will potentially not buy it then.
How many times do we have to teach these companies this lesson? Anti-piracy DRM never stops pirates, it only causes harm to legitimate paying customers. Pirates get the objective better experience playing a game with DRM removed because they not only get the game for free, but it performs better than the version people pay for. Why pay money for something that is objectively worse than getting it for free?
Nobody’s teaching these companies any lessons. They keep using Denuvo because it works, and the games keep selling because the number of people actually bothered by it is pretty small.
Source needed for it actually working to reduce piracy. It’s possible, but I’m gonna need sources since we know from history that simply providing a better product does more to increase sales and reduce piracy than anything else. People are willing to pay when they get their money’s worth. The ones that don’t, weren’t going to pay anyway, so there’s no actual lost sale.
It just makes the bean counters feel better and help justify their position.
It’s not really clear if working DRM increases sales. But most Denuvo games don’t get cracked, so it definetly prevents most piracy.
Look at when games get cracked, it’s very rarely prior to release
That only goes to show that that most of the people capable of cracking a game aren’t privy to most pre release channels. First day buyers and pre order simps most likely wouldn’t pirate the game at all.
The fact that there currently is no one cracking Denuvo? Empress was the only one cracking and posting new denuvo releases and they’ve been completely silent for months(possibly over a year? I forget). The only other people cracking denuvo lately are a DRM developerdoing so for the challenge(and not releasing the crack, because they’re a DRM dev…) and like one other guy cracking much older versions of denuvo.
Yep. Most people have no spine, or even care about it. Whatever, I can waste my time and money on other games. It’s not like there’s a lack of them out there, even outside of Denuvo, EA & Ubisoft.
I think most people aren’t even aware of the different forms of DRM and whether or not their games use them. For the majority of players, there’s no discernible impact to their experience so they have no reason to question any of it.
To be fair denuvo is really effective.
It usually takes a long ass time for denuvo games to get cracked if at all.
Last I checked there were only two people cracking denuvo, one who only likes football games and one really crazy lady.
Also the lack of piracy is most important for publishers around launch and that’s reflected in denuvo’s pricing which IIRC increases substantially after a year or two (this is a fairly recent change)
So more games have started to remove Denuvo after a while after launch.
Before they changed it, I believe the publishers got to keep Denuvo at no extra cost if they didn’t change the game or something but now it gets more expensive the further from launch you go
It’s wild, I’m one of those patient gamer types but there are certain games that I’d make an exception for and buy as soon as they came out, and Civ has been one of those games as far back as I can remember. But this is gonna be the first one I’m not going to bother with. Between this and the absolutely bonkers price, I really can’t justify it. Maybe in a few years when the Denuvo is removed and you can get the full thing for like $40 or so, but no way am I paying $167 CAD for the full edition on day one.
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i mean civ is never really worth buying until they put out a complete edition with all the features they removed so they could slowly sell them back to you as dlc.
Try unciv
I don’t think they really do that. I remember Civ 6 launching with everything 5 had as DLC in base game and the DLCs added new things 5 didn’t have.
I don’t think 6 had religion or a bunch of stuff originally, it had less content than 5 at launch (forget the civs, just the mechanics). That was fixed in the first major update.
I’d expect a year or 2 before we can start seeing 7 become the full game it needs to get to to pass 6.
it was diplomacy that was stripped then re-added this time. in base civ 6 there was no diplomacy. that’s ridiculous. that’s like one of the most core mechanics and win conditions. then when they did add it it was so busted that you’ll often accidentally get a diplo victory on your way to any other victory.
6 definitely had religion at launch. IGN actually declared “This game will go down in history as the most fully-featured launch version in the 25-year series.”
that’s a weird thing to say about a game that came out without diplomacy or diplomatic victories. but ign has a long history of overating games from waelthy companies.
edit: but also, the way that ign feels the need to praise it for being fully featured at launch when it was still missing a base mechanic really helps my point. they always do this. this may actually be the least bad one they’ve ever done. that’s just a low bar. like the 4th least bad release.
idk man… i guess In today’s market this behavior has become less bad by comparison to everyone else, but I’m not going to ignore the rising temperature of the water in this pot. the whole industry is getting worse. I’m not going to give this company ground to legitimize their greed because the rest of the industry shot past them in shittyness. this was one of the first series to explicitly be scummy with dlc. they helped create the modern landscape of battle passes and gacha bullshit. they were once some of the worst out there…
Sure but the fully fleshed out diplomatic victory in Civ V was only added by DLC, it’s not that crazy that the equivalent was a DLC in VI. Beyond that, things like religion, archaeology, and espionage were all DLC features in V but were base game in VI. It was a clear step forward on the whole.
also, there was a religion mechanic, but no religious victory.
I stand corrected, must be thinking of civ 5… Or World of Goo…
civ 6 literally added diplomatic victory back as a dlc
Fair enough, I forgot it didn’t launch with the world Congress stuff. It has enough other new stuff and a bunch of features from Civ 5 that at least for me it made up for that being left behind at first.
Except for the Aztecs and Poland I think.
Eh I don’t really count civs I guess. I was just counting features like religion and stuff like that. The civs are usually pretty cheap and they don’t really change the game that much.
I find this argument really annoying / entitled.
Are they supposed to increase the scope of every iteration in the series and take an extra few years to make each one, or are they supposed to never release DLC? which would make you happy?
I would like it to come out with the same number of win conditions that the previous ones had. diplomacy was a base feature in at least the last 2 games before it. it wasn’t a dlc feature before. they removed it this time, then added it back as dlc. they do shit like that every time.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand there it vanishes from my Wishlist. Thought after Civ 5 it might be actually something potentially worth buying, but nope. Removing the Launchers just to add Denuvo… What an absolute dumbass move.
But they’re preempting a problem they’ve never had. Certainly you can understand that, right?
I’m gonna wait for the platinum ultimate mega collector’s anthology edition at a 90% discount after 7 years.
I’m still only on turn 270 in my first Civ3 game, don’t have time for a newer version, Ghandi’s bombers have almost all finished moving this month.
Ghandi must be taking it easy on you.
That’s one way to get people to turn to piracy.
Most denuvo games don’t get cracked.
That was true for a little while around 2016 I think. If it’s temporarily true again now I don’t expect it’ll last very far into the lifetime of a civ game.
Maybe, maybe not. HiFi Rush hasn’t been cracked, even after Microsoft became theevillain of the week for the whole internet, because they closed down Tango Gameworks.
Empress was the only denuvo cracker, and she’s gone.
She’s actually not gone. She’s just picky with what games she cracks.
Nah man, she’s gone. She hasn’t cracked anything in over a year, and the “one game” she’d be interested in cracking she won’t crack?
Until she actually releases a new crack, I’m not going to believe that post was even actually from her. Either that or it is her and she’s unable to crack the newest denuvo and is blustering to keep her cults attention.
Fair enough!
Is that really true? I guess I’m not up to date enough, but I think most modern games make their way to the modern seas.
It’s true. There was only one person willing and capable of cracking denuvo, and they’ve been a total ghost for a year now. Possibly a literal ghost now, considering they’re Russian.
Oh. Well I was excited about Civ 7 right until this moment.
Anti-tamper = no mods worth your time = only worth playing a handful of times. Also may have trouble working on Linux.
Guess that’s gonna be the first Civ game I’m not buying.
And the excitement I had has gone. Removed from wish list and added to ignore list.
I’ve also removed from my wish list - hopefully they reverse the decision and I can add it back.
I guess I’ll keep playing Civ 5, then?
Unciv is an open source version of Civ V that works on Android and PC, if you really want to lose some hours
Unciv
A real Civ game that runs on my phone? Well, damnit, my poops are about to become 3 hour marathons.
I realized it had community mods available that fill in all the missing tech and countries from the expansions/DLC, installed them, blinked and suddenly the sun was rising?
Mobile games on PC… No thanks.
I have it on Android, it feels more like a PC game ported to Android. I quite enjoyed it.
Maybe have a look at ARA that’s gonna release some time soon. It’s made by the civ5 devs and I’ve played the alpha playtest - so far it looks great
The one title of that type of genre I’m looking forward to. I hope they don’t fuck it up.
There hasn’t been a need for a new Civ since IV so I already wasn’t gonna buy it, but now I’m gonna not buy it even harder.
I play freeciv (an open source civ 3.5 clone) much more often than civ 5 which I bought. I’ll agree with you. Newer civ isn’t all that attractive.
Yeah… Civ 1, 2, 3, and 4 were all good - for different reasons. Civ 5 was where the design decisions stopped being about gameplay and started being about maximising profit. Making the game functional and fun was lower priority to making paid DLC. Players buy the buggy and unfinished game… then pay more to fix it piecemeal with the DLC. Such is the power of brands and advertising.
Boo
Ha ha ha…no
DOA
On one hand, the gameplay doesn’t usually change so drastically that a new version matters too much.
On the other, if they did dramatically change up the gameplay it might suck.
So even though they have a decent track record and I love Civilization, I would never pre-order or buy day 1. I’ll wait and see if it’s actually worth getting. I will also say, in my experience, like 90% of games that used Denovu have not been good in the first place. I can name only 1 I thought was worth its cost, and I only got it after they removed the DRM (Lies of P).
Judging from the gameplay reveals it seems that they changed some pretty fundamental stuff that makes CIV, CIV. So it will be interesting to see what it’s like.
