• PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de
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    When people think a bidet is stupid, I always ask: If you had poop on your arm, would you clean it with water or just wipe it with a dry towel and call it a day?

    Not to mention it’s less irritating for ur bum

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      This question shows that people can have differing standards of cleanliness and it’s OK. Because the answer is “would you spray your arm with water only or would you use soap?” Bidets don’t use soap, so with either bidet or paper you can still feel dirty until a shower, it’s just what level of dirty you’re willing to accept.

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        Bidets don’t use soap? Well, I use soap on every use, what kind of bidet instructions do you follow up? Sponge and hands, a bidet is like a mini shower in your groins without a full body implication, is just a washbasin at a convenient height… don’t you wash your hands and your face in the morning with soap in the washbasin?

        EDIT: Probably we imply different things for “bidet”, I got South European one in mind…

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      Hey, fellow Spuds fan. I have a similar one but it’s: "If you smeared peanut butter on the outside of a watermelon but wiped it off with dry toilet paper, wouldn’t you expect it to still smell like peanut butter?

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        Honestly, I feel like they’re both gonna smell like peanut butter about the same

        Especially if you do that with a potato instead of a watermelon

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          Certainly the one you’ve sprayed after wiping would smell less like peanut butter though? The first thing we do when cleaning anything seriously is get the wiper/scrubber/sponge/paper towel wet, with either water or cleaning solutions.

          The moral of the story is y’all need to wash your asses however it gets done.

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            I mean if your argument is that things will be cleaner if you wash them twice (once with paper and once with water), compared to washing it once, then the answer is obviously yes washing twice will make things cleaner than washing them once.

            I do agree that alternating between scrubbing (paper) and rinsing (bidet) will probably get you cleaner - but based on the comments I see, that’s not what bidet users are actually doing.

            But yes, folks need to wash their asses better.
            And their hands too, way too many people leave public washroom without washing their hands. Wtf.

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              No, that’s not my argument. It’s that the first thing we do when we are about to wipe down a counter (or anything else) with a rag is to get the rag wet. It’s that none of us trust a dry wiping/cleaning tool to be effective, it’s just going to smear the funk around.

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                No, the first things you do when you’re about to wipe a counter with a rag is to get a rag.

                Sometimes you wipe with a wet cloth, occasionally you wipe with a dry cloth, but you never wipe with no cloth and just water.

                Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think TP is better that bidets, but this sanctimonious metaphor is just so dumb that I can’t deal with it.

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                  You haven’t understood my pretty clear language and then are calling my metaphor dumb? Wow.

                  You don’t wipe with no cloth and just water alone? No shit, are you going for a promotion from Captain Obvious to Major Lee Obvious?

                  Your “no, the first thing you do is get the rag” is about the dumbest response I can imagine and inaccurate since the situation was framed as “wipe with a rag” implying a situation where one already has the rag. You might as well have wrote “the first thing you do is put on appropriate non-skid footwear and remove any rings.”

                  You’re not pedantic, you’re pretending to score points by calling me out for omitting the incredibly obvious parts that really didn’t need to be said at all.

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      You still have to wipe though, right? Using just water to clean it off your arm would still leave a stain. You have to make contact to rub away what remains somehow.

      I’ve used a few bidets and while it was fun and they did an ok job there was no soap involved and I still had to wipe. I don’t hate them, they make some sense, but a bidet is not magic.

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          Only if you have a solid one. If your poo is sticky it leaves a smear and even high pressure water won’t shift, and that’s when you need a wipe.

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              I have. A bunch of times. They are in most of the hotel rooms I stay in.

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                  it’s water. what do you think is “using it well”? the only way to properly sanitize an asshole is drench it in water and use a little soap. Change your diet several days beforehand if you want to have fun down there.

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                I use one and have IBS with issues as you describe. The bidet is miles better, and previous to that I had to use wet wipes because TP wasn’t even as effective. You’re using it incorrectly if you think it’s less effective than paper.

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                  I don’t think it is less effective. I tthink it is more efficient but isn’t perfect.

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      Honestly I’d say wiping my arm with a bunch of paper towels is about the same as spraying it down with a garden hose. I feel like people who say otherwise have never actually tried to rinse something off their body with just water pressure and no scrubbing.

      I still plan to get a bidet because it’s less irritating as you said.

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      This is a trap, literally none of you want to hear why bidets are disgusting and I will not be dragged into this again.

      Fuck bidets and everyone who recommends them.

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                So? Just because you don’t have skid marks doesn’t mean you don’t have a dirty, stinky ass.

                Also has nothing to do with your claim. The idea that washing your ass after a shit is somehow worse than not washing it is literally one of the dumbest takes I’ve ever seen.

                You’re nasty as fuck, dude.

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                  This is the exact fucking harassment I get every fuckdamn time the bidet cultists catch wind, and I am so fuckdamn tired of it.

                  Listen, wetass, if you enjoy spraying fecal mist all over your bathroom while simultaneously drenching every square inch of your ass in bacterial medium that’s on you. I know how to wipe and my partners have never had an issue going down town for dinner and NONE of them were ever shy about informing me on my odor.

                  You just want license to make your anal fetish public and its disgusting.

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        what? I like them but I’m happy to hear your arguments if you would articulate them.

        “You’re wrong I’m right but I won’t tell you why” is the opposite of a useful comment

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          Every time I lay out my talking points about moisture contact and contaminated spray you fucknuggets just spam my inbox with insults so I have zero interest in arguing with any of you wetasses.

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            Well then don’t comment at all. Like I said I am happy to hear your arguments but now you just made me frustrated…

            I’m pretty sure the reason you’re getting spammed with insults is that you have a very abrasive commenting style. At least that’s my opinion based on the last two I’ve read :D

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    Wouldn’t recommend. I bought a Kärcher brand one some time ago, it had too much pressure. Got my butt cleaned to the bone though.

    Edit: I appreciate the advice about pressure, but folks, I was joking about power washers 😆

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    I grew up in a Muslim country and I hate these. They are always either too strong or too weak. And they somehow always leak (no idea why).

    Wet wipes ftw.

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    I know Europe loves to shit all over the US on this topic.

    Unless I’m sick, well over 95% of my poops take place immediately before I shower. I don’t really see how this is any different.

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      it sounds like you understand the value of using water to clean your butthole after you poop… so why not spend the $30 on a bidet just in case you ever do have a poop and don’t want to shower? or hell just so you don’t use as much TP before hopping in the shower. or for anyone else using your toilet and not wanting to hop in the shower…

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      So basically everytime you take a poop you have to shower…

      You mean to tell me that you rather wash your whole body every single day once or twice wether it’s summer or winter wether you left the house to do any activity or stayed at home all of this commitment just so you don’t give in and use a bidet. God Americans y’all are so special.

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        I mean to tell you that I’m that regular. Once in the morning and I’m done until tomorrow.

        And yes, I wash my body every single day. Are you telling me the paragon of asshole cleanliness that is Europeans doesn’t?

        God Europeans are so eager so shit on all of us. Is it the orange monkey we elected? Is that what did it?

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      $20 for a bolt on unit that fits on your seat, even cheaper for a bum gun. Live your dreams

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        Bum gun now for 20 years after visiting SE Asia decades ago and relealising smearing shit around your ass with paper really was just fucking weird

        DIY install for about $20 and no TP.

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          You can also use a water bottle or watering can, although I can’t really recommend that experience but that’s what people who are socialized to use them do when they can’t afford/install a proper one.

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      There’s tops you can buy really cheap that you can put in a bottle and have a very cheap bidet. I think for many people it’s a struggle to change their mind that this is also OK and it doesn’t have to cost thousands of $$$

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    Thanks. That’s a reasonable review. I hate that people claim bidets to be magic.