• mister_monster@monero.town
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      But he’s making value from someone else’s labor, that they traded freely to him in voluntarily in a market for labor.

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        No. If he’s still working beside them (like you said in your example), then his labor is making the value. He is entitled to that value.

        It’s impossible to “make” value from someone else’s labor. The person doing the labor created the value.

        Your example also isn’t them voluntarily working for him. You said in your example that it was either work for him or starve.

        If he’s not and he’s sitting doing nothing - creating no value - then he gets nothing.

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          Every single living thing on earth labors under threat of starvation. That’s not a shortcoming of any particular economic system, that’s a shortcoming of nature, if you can even call it a shortcoming.

          He profits from the labor of others. Does he deserve what he gets for it? It’s mutually beneficial mind you.

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            There are 100% people that live under capitalism and don’t work, but don’t ever have to worry about starving.

            There are people who get unfairly given more profit than they work for.

            There are people who unfairly get less of the profits than they deserve.

            I’m saying it should be fairly distributed by the workers. You’re pretending it isn’t an issue.

            I’m explicitly saying he should not profit from the others labor. I’m explicitly saying they should be fairly compensated for their labor.

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              See now you’re just avoiding continuing with this line of reasoning because you see where it’s headed and it’s not good for your ideology. I’m doing a thought experiment here, demonstrating that free markets are in fact incompatible with communist ideas, fundamentally because people cannot be free to sell their own labor on their own terms.

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                What the hell are you talking about? I went along with your “thought experiment.” I answered your question.

                I didn’t avoid a single thing. Did I miss something you asked? Ask again if I did.