Did you not read my comment? Everything I said was about the fact that most pro-Palestinians are still voting for Harris, but just want her to be a good person.
You want her to commit political suicide before winning an election.
I’m with you. I agree with you that Israel needs to chill the fuck out. But instead of just going with my feelings, I also looked at the polls.
Most Americans don’t care, and AIPAC is very, VERY well funded. And US politics runs on money. And most of the folks that would decide the election? The ‘swing’ voters that can’t make up their mind on whether or not they’re voting for Harris or Trump even after he tried to overthrow the government in 2020? A lot of them think Palestinians are just terrorists. They’re looking at the news the right wing is funding of Palestinian/Muslim protests in Europe and thinking, “Well fuck, I don’t want those nutjobs over here?”
Giving that endorsement right now would be a dream come true for Republicans. They’d finally have the attack angle they need.
Harris says that now? She loses. Trump is president, and Palestine is even more fucked than they are now.
And everyone else gets fucked with them too. You want the Democrats to change course? You have to change that calculus first. Until you can prove that you vote in greater numbers, and more consistently than the brain dead ‘swing’ voters in middle America, nothing will change. Promising you’re not going to vote is the absolute worst thing you could do in that situation.
I’m being realistic about the state of the country I live in. You’re not.
This isn’t the time for pie-in-the-sky idealistic bullshit. If Trump wins, we’re all fucked. We’re not going to get a do-over if we lose this one.
If you’re a real person, then you have serious reading comprehension issues you are once again saying that I said something I didn’t, I said nothing about not voting, I infact said the opposite. The rest of your assertions I don’t have time to respond to currently, and I’m not going to waste that time if you’re an AI as I expect.
Translation: I can’t actually make a proper argument as to how my position does anything to further my goals, so I’m going to pretend I don’t have time… while wasting time on the comments section of a meme making fun of people exactly like me.
Once again, failing to respond to my point, by saying something unrelated. I happen to be a student, that means I can’t type out a whole response to several points while in a class that I need to focus on. You seem to forget that people have lives outside of the internet.
You may have said what you want to happen, but that had almost nothing to do with my post, which was stating that almost all pro-Palistinians are still voting for Harris, you have continued to not respond to that, instead resulting to Ad Hominem. Maybe if you would just respond to the actual comment, instead of a straw man you’ve created, this argument could be productive.
You don’t know how to spell Palestinians either. Why am I not surprised.
“Resorting” to Ad Hominem attacks, right?
Are you a Russian troll or something? I refuse to believe anyone out of grade school can be so bad at English.
You’re totally not a dum-dum though. I want you to know that.
It is true that the majority of Americans are more favorable of Israel than Palestine, however, according to a recent poll of 1,000 Americans, by YouGov, petitioned by the CEPR, 52% of Americans support an arms embargo on Israel. In another poll by YouGov of 3 swing states, it is shown that in Pennsylvania 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for Harris, compared to 7% who said they’d be less likely to if she vowed to stop supplying weapons to Israel. Similarly, in Arizona it was 35% to 5%, and in Georgia, it was 39% to 5%.
Polls can be worded to show bias. The primaries showed exactly what the current reality of the situation is. When AIPAC weighs in, the candidate they’re trying to burn loses. They ‘burned’ two members of the squad and left two. The two they chose not to campaign against won their primaries, they two they did? Lost.
It’s almost like they wanted to send a message. “We can fuck you up, don’t get too far out of line”.
At least as it stands now, the number of people who are willing to actually show up to vote for congressmen/women that vocally support Palestine isn’t enough to match the funding advantage their opponents will have.
All the more reason that telling folks to not vote unless they get what they want is counterproductive. No amount of talking and protesting or complaining online matters. The only thing that counts is actually showing up and voting.
I have never told anyone not to vote, if you recall, my point for this entire comment thread has been that most pro-Palestinians are still going to vote for Harris, it is true that polls can be biases, but seeing as you haven’t provided any sources, I’m going to continue to believe in the ones I provided. I’m pretty sure primaries haven’t happened yet, and unless your talking about ones from last election, I don’t see what you’re talking about. Please give me a source to support your views, and please respond to my point, and not a straw man.
If you’re not even paying attention to the primary cycle, when that’s the best time to get pro-Palestinian representation into our government, you are engaging in something I’d like to call, performative-activism.
Ok, I will stop saying anything else, as you seem to only be able to reply to a single point at once.
How do you disagree with my assertion that most pro-Palestinian protestors are still voting for Harris, and are, in fact, encouraging others to.
Dude, fuck off, if all your going to do is insult me I’m not going to continue talking to you. I happen to be using a phone keyboard, making it extremely easy to misspell something.
Did you not read my comment? Everything I said was about the fact that most pro-Palestinians are still voting for Harris, but just want her to be a good person.
You want her to commit political suicide before winning an election.
I’m with you. I agree with you that Israel needs to chill the fuck out. But instead of just going with my feelings, I also looked at the polls. Most Americans don’t care, and AIPAC is very, VERY well funded. And US politics runs on money. And most of the folks that would decide the election? The ‘swing’ voters that can’t make up their mind on whether or not they’re voting for Harris or Trump even after he tried to overthrow the government in 2020? A lot of them think Palestinians are just terrorists. They’re looking at the news the right wing is funding of Palestinian/Muslim protests in Europe and thinking, “Well fuck, I don’t want those nutjobs over here?”
Giving that endorsement right now would be a dream come true for Republicans. They’d finally have the attack angle they need.
Harris says that now? She loses. Trump is president, and Palestine is even more fucked than they are now. And everyone else gets fucked with them too. You want the Democrats to change course? You have to change that calculus first. Until you can prove that you vote in greater numbers, and more consistently than the brain dead ‘swing’ voters in middle America, nothing will change. Promising you’re not going to vote is the absolute worst thing you could do in that situation.
I’m being realistic about the state of the country I live in. You’re not. This isn’t the time for pie-in-the-sky idealistic bullshit. If Trump wins, we’re all fucked. We’re not going to get a do-over if we lose this one.
If you’re a real person, then you have serious reading comprehension issues you are once again saying that I said something I didn’t, I said nothing about not voting, I infact said the opposite. The rest of your assertions I don’t have time to respond to currently, and I’m not going to waste that time if you’re an AI as I expect.
Translation: I can’t actually make a proper argument as to how my position does anything to further my goals, so I’m going to pretend I don’t have time… while wasting time on the comments section of a meme making fun of people exactly like me.
Boop boop. Bloviating idiot detected. Commencing snark protocol.
Once again, failing to respond to my point, by saying something unrelated. I happen to be a student, that means I can’t type out a whole response to several points while in a class that I need to focus on. You seem to forget that people have lives outside of the internet.
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You may have said what you want to happen, but that had almost nothing to do with my post, which was stating that almost all pro-Palistinians are still voting for Harris, you have continued to not respond to that, instead resulting to Ad Hominem. Maybe if you would just respond to the actual comment, instead of a straw man you’ve created, this argument could be productive.
You don’t know how to spell Palestinians either. Why am I not surprised. “Resorting” to Ad Hominem attacks, right?
Are you a Russian troll or something? I refuse to believe anyone out of grade school can be so bad at English. You’re totally not a dum-dum though. I want you to know that.
Definitely not a dum-dum.
What is not clicking in your brain? Respond to my point or don’t respond.
It is true that the majority of Americans are more favorable of Israel than Palestine, however, according to a recent poll of 1,000 Americans, by YouGov, petitioned by the CEPR, 52% of Americans support an arms embargo on Israel. In another poll by YouGov of 3 swing states, it is shown that in Pennsylvania 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for Harris, compared to 7% who said they’d be less likely to if she vowed to stop supplying weapons to Israel. Similarly, in Arizona it was 35% to 5%, and in Georgia, it was 39% to 5%.
Sources: https://www.cepr.net/press-release/poll-majority-of-americans-say-biden-should-halt-weapons-shipments-to-israel/ https://zeteo.com/p/poll-harris-democrats-gaza-ceasefire-arms-embargo
Polls can be worded to show bias. The primaries showed exactly what the current reality of the situation is. When AIPAC weighs in, the candidate they’re trying to burn loses. They ‘burned’ two members of the squad and left two. The two they chose not to campaign against won their primaries, they two they did? Lost.
It’s almost like they wanted to send a message. “We can fuck you up, don’t get too far out of line”.
At least as it stands now, the number of people who are willing to actually show up to vote for congressmen/women that vocally support Palestine isn’t enough to match the funding advantage their opponents will have.
All the more reason that telling folks to not vote unless they get what they want is counterproductive. No amount of talking and protesting or complaining online matters. The only thing that counts is actually showing up and voting.
I have never told anyone not to vote, if you recall, my point for this entire comment thread has been that most pro-Palestinians are still going to vote for Harris, it is true that polls can be biases, but seeing as you haven’t provided any sources, I’m going to continue to believe in the ones I provided. I’m pretty sure primaries haven’t happened yet, and unless your talking about ones from last election, I don’t see what you’re talking about. Please give me a source to support your views, and please respond to my point, and not a straw man.
You can’t figure out who in the squad lost their primaries? Does google not work at your house?
https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-squad-suddenly-falling-apart-what-next-1938990
If you’re not even paying attention to the primary cycle, when that’s the best time to get pro-Palestinian representation into our government, you are engaging in something I’d like to call, performative-activism.
Seriously, do better.
Ok, I will stop saying anything else, as you seem to only be able to reply to a single point at once. How do you disagree with my assertion that most pro-Palestinian protestors are still voting for Harris, and are, in fact, encouraging others to.
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Dude, fuck off, if all your going to do is insult me I’m not going to continue talking to you. I happen to be using a phone keyboard, making it extremely easy to misspell something.
There isn’t a keyboard in the world that mangles “previous” to “previse”.
But okay, lets pretend you’re not a dum-dums. I don’t want to be hurting your feelings or anything. You don’t seem to handle that very well.