Its meaning in Ukraine, and also cardinal sin, is freedom from the Russians. This is what makes it Nazi to a number of Russians, not because the people who wave it are actually National Socialists, but because they are against Russia.
It’s understated how important The Great Patriotic War is to the Russian people. It gives a great boost to national pride. It’s when they defeated the enemies of Russia, The Nazis. So crucial it is, that anyone else who seems to want to destroy Russia is in league with the Nazis. It’s how you get paradoxes like Vlodomyr Zelensky being called a Jewish Nazi, not because he subscribes to National Socialism, but because he is against Russia.
If we go by this definition of Nazi, the flag is absolutely Nazi. It is the banner of Ukrainian defiance against the Russian giant. The complicated people who once flew this banner does not help the case.
But today, what that flag means to the Ukrainians is freedom from the empire that abused them for hundreds of years and is desperately trying to claw back Ukraine to exploit them once more against the will of the people there
”Let’s discuss Putin speech. He declared Ukrainians to be “Neonazis” and promised to “denazify” them. Indeed the “Nazi” character of Ukrainian statehood and identity has long been a central thesis of Russian propaganda. Let’s discuss why and how it reflects ideology of Putinism🧵”
The whole thread is here, and is a very interesting read:
“The USSR was already conducting huge ethnic cleansings before the war, before any collaboration with the Nazis could even start. The war didn’t really change anything - it allowed Soviets to carry on but now with a perfect excuse. We’re cleansing minorities because they’re Nazi.”
Last I checked there are Russian crewed tanks in Ukraine. Not US crewed ones. If anyone is doing empire building, the Russians are. And before you say it, shut up about NATO expansion. Poland blackmailed the US into joining and Ukraine probably could have joined too in 2009, save for the fact that the rest of NATO didn’t want to alienate Russia. There’s a reason why public opinion on joining NATO instantly flipped in Finland and Sweden once tanks started rolling across Kerson
Where are the tanks in Ukraine?
Well there are tanks and other heavy weapons from all western countries in Ukraine and part of Russia. It’s not Uktaines’ war. The territory were already under Russian influence and population. This is classic US vs Russia, NATO vs BRICs
These are all the visually confirmed losses. Notice how the bulk of the equipment lost is Soviet or Ukrainian. You’d think that there would be visually confirmed losses of US Army men or Marines, but there aren’t. Notice also how there are no reported losses of the F-16, F-35, Rafale, Eurofighter or any western fighter. As well as the conspicuous absence of air launched missiles. The only recorded loss that the US has had is 1 MQ-9 Reaper that a Russian pilot struck when trying to light it up with afterburners.
Among these
Tanks: of 602 tanks destroyed over all, 14 Leos destroyed. (All of which were since June)
APC: of 305 destroyed, 4 were NATO (French)
IFV: of 682 destroyed, 141 were NATO
As for the Russian population? Sure, they might have spoken Russian, but did they want to be a part of Russia? Independence polls from the early 90s showed Donetsk and Luhansk wanting to leave Russia by over 80 % Kherson an Zapporizia even more so, and yet Russia claims to have annexed them, despite controlling neither.
Its meaning in Ukraine, and also cardinal sin, is freedom from the Russians. This is what makes it Nazi to a number of Russians, not because the people who wave it are actually National Socialists, but because they are against Russia.
It’s understated how important The Great Patriotic War is to the Russian people. It gives a great boost to national pride. It’s when they defeated the enemies of Russia, The Nazis. So crucial it is, that anyone else who seems to want to destroy Russia is in league with the Nazis. It’s how you get paradoxes like Vlodomyr Zelensky being called a Jewish Nazi, not because he subscribes to National Socialism, but because he is against Russia.
If we go by this definition of Nazi, the flag is absolutely Nazi. It is the banner of Ukrainian defiance against the Russian giant. The complicated people who once flew this banner does not help the case.
But today, what that flag means to the Ukrainians is freedom from the empire that abused them for hundreds of years and is desperately trying to claw back Ukraine to exploit them once more against the will of the people there
Kamil Galeev has some interesting things to say about how the Russians use the term “Nazi.”
https://nitter.net/kamilkazani/status/1497306746330697738#m
The whole thread is here, and is a very interesting read:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1497306746330697738.html
Also, in case you don’t know who Kamil Galeev is: https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/07/europe/russia-z-symbol-ukraine-war-cmd-intl/index.html
Please show us non military and non ultra nationalist populations using this flag. Also, people from Crimea using it
No because he supports fascism, war crimes, and capitalist usian imperialism
I wish this myth would die. https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/why-putin-calling-ukrainian-government-bunch-nazis
Last I checked there are Russian crewed tanks in Ukraine. Not US crewed ones. If anyone is doing empire building, the Russians are. And before you say it, shut up about NATO expansion. Poland blackmailed the US into joining and Ukraine probably could have joined too in 2009, save for the fact that the rest of NATO didn’t want to alienate Russia. There’s a reason why public opinion on joining NATO instantly flipped in Finland and Sweden once tanks started rolling across Kerson
The ICC has also issued a warrant for Vladimir Putin’s arrest https://www.icc-cpi.int/situations/ukraine
Where are the tanks in Ukraine? Well there are tanks and other heavy weapons from all western countries in Ukraine and part of Russia. It’s not Uktaines’ war. The territory were already under Russian influence and population. This is classic US vs Russia, NATO vs BRICs
That’s not what the loss data shows. https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html
These are all the visually confirmed losses. Notice how the bulk of the equipment lost is Soviet or Ukrainian. You’d think that there would be visually confirmed losses of US Army men or Marines, but there aren’t. Notice also how there are no reported losses of the F-16, F-35, Rafale, Eurofighter or any western fighter. As well as the conspicuous absence of air launched missiles. The only recorded loss that the US has had is 1 MQ-9 Reaper that a Russian pilot struck when trying to light it up with afterburners. Among these Tanks: of 602 tanks destroyed over all, 14 Leos destroyed. (All of which were since June) APC: of 305 destroyed, 4 were NATO (French) IFV: of 682 destroyed, 141 were NATO
As for the Russian population? Sure, they might have spoken Russian, but did they want to be a part of Russia? Independence polls from the early 90s showed Donetsk and Luhansk wanting to leave Russia by over 80 % Kherson an Zapporizia even more so, and yet Russia claims to have annexed them, despite controlling neither.