[French media] said the investigation was focused on a lack of moderators on Telegram, and that police considered that this situation allowed criminal activity to go on undeterred on the messaging app.
Europe defending its citizens against the tech giants, I’m sure.
There’s a lot of really really dark shit on telegram that’s for sure, and it’s not like signal where they are just a provider. They do have control the content
So does Facebook and twatter
I don’t recall CP/gore being readily available on those platforms, it gets reported/removed pretty quickly.
I do but ok
Riiight
Edit: Is telegram really an encrypted messaging app (spoiler: no) get off your high horse defending exiled russian oligarchs in the name of encryption.
https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/child-abuse-online-statistics/
Can’t claim how valid any of that info is but confirms my bias
A quick search will produce a lot reddit discussions on the topic too.
FFS we had Catholic clerky raping children and our clown society just said Mehh that’s just how things be for the peasants
Then clowns like you try to down play the issue so you can cope that your team is good 🤡
In your head in confirms what you want, because you’re biased. You just don’t know what “readily available” means. Can’t help you there. Your entire article makes my point…
The content on telegram is there almost indefinitely, and readily available. What youre sharing is almost instant bans, includes also reports to links of suspected activity, not the content directly.
https://thebrainbin.org/m/nottheonion@lemmy.world/t/264641/Yemen-weapons-dealers-selling-machine-guns-on-X
You’re not using the right search terms?
Readily available means you don’t need to search. Y’all are on another level searching for this shit lmao.
You’re young. It really was a thing. It never stayed up long, and they found ways to make it essentially instantaneous, but there was a time it was easy to find very unpleasant things on Facebook, whether you wanted to or not. Gore in specific was easy to run across at one point. CP, it was more offers to sell it.
They fixed it, and it isn’t like that now, but it was a problem in the first year or two.
And there are still informal networks of Pedos and other pests operating on these platforms to this day.
Haha, young ? i wish. But go on making stuff up.
So now it’s not that it’s readily available, it’s that it was in the beginning. So everyone is allowed to let CP go in the first years of their platform? Is that what youre going with. Eww
The fuck are you smoking?
Damn, I hope there’s no upper limit to block lists
I guess he just wanna links
So you don’t see the difference between the platforms that actually has measures in place to try and prevent it and platforms that intentionally don’t have measures in place to try and prevent it?
Man, Lemmings must be even dumber than Redditors or something
Safe harbour equivalent rules should apply, no? That is, the platforms should not be held liable as long as the platform does not permit for illegal activities on the platform, offer proper reporting mechanism, and documented workflows to investigate + act against reported activity.
It feels like a slippery slope to arrest people on grounds of suspicion (until proven otherwise) of lack of moderation.
Thing is, Telegram don’t do shit about it
I don’t know how they manage their platform — I don’t use it, so it’s irrelevant for me personally — was this proven anywhere in a court of law?
Why arrest him? Why not threaten to block the app in France or something like that?
And why only arrest him? Should the discord creators also be arrested for some shady channels? Should Elon Musk be arrested because twitter is the equivalent of fhe fifth circle of hell?
So they can make a very convincing case for a backdoor, in exchange for his release. And maybe some compensation for continued cooperation. Both come out winning and they get to claim nothing happened.
Government cyber security dealings as usual. or not. who knows?
It’s one of the most popular social media apps in Russia that is not banned or blocked. I would bet they already have a backdoor for the Russian police and intelligence agency…
That conspiracy theory is so dumb.
The government almost certainly doesn’t need a backdoor as telegram is almost completely unencrypted (only one-to-one channels can be but aren’t by default). The real (but more boring) conspiracy theory is that governments generally don’t mind Telegram because its willfully terrible security model allows them to keep an eye on terrorists and activists’ communications (I have a hard time believing that the NSA or even DGSE don’t have their own backdoors already).
However the EU does have laws mandating the moderation of said unencrypted messages, especially when it comes to CSAM, which Telegram is notoriously poorly moderated. It’s certainly reason enough to arrest and question this guy, at least until formal charges are brought or he walks free. Maybe there are additional political considerations, but there doesn’t have to be.
Also how would arresting this guy help with backdooring. He doesn’t have access to the source code. Whoever he calls to get that done is out of reach of the French police. He has no reason not to disable that backdoor as soon as he gets out of the EU. If he can be bought off he already has been (Crypto AG style except way lamer because no-one clever&important trusts Telegram), you don’t need to arrest someone to pay them. I’m no DSGSE bigwig but pressuring lower level engineers to backdoor their code seems like a 1000% more effective approach.
Clearest difference I can see is:
- people who act more in the interest of society and less in the interest of those in power get arrested
- people who help those in power tighten the leash on society (fuckerberg, muskrat, etc) get courted and don’t ever face consequences
In other words: A high profile person in tech being threatened with arrest / being arrested by western countries is a pretty good sign that they were not cooperating with our totalitarian overlords & providing us with ways to preserve our privacy.
And why only arrest him? Should the discord creators also be arrested for some shady channels? Should Elon Musk be arrested because twitter is the equivalent of fhe fifth circle of hell?
Stop asking question and go back to work
you’re right, I forgot about the shareholders!
I don’t use Telegram because I don’t think it’s secure, but this is still bullshit.
What do you use?
Signal.
He is being charged with W R O N G T H I N K.
Hell yeah. I always hated Telegram, because of its countless false promises, misleading claims, bad encryption (which isn’t even enabled by default) and shady background.
That bad encryption was not cracked for now. The other one, that is used to process chats between 2 users in end to end mode, can’t be enabled by default because it assumes no history is kept and no support for group chats.
Also, the arrest doesn’t seem to be related to any of the things you mentioned. If anything it shows there are no ways for (certain) governments to affect the messenger, for now.
That bad encryption was not cracked for now
There is no encryption by default if you haven’t noticed. There only the pseudo-E2EE which has been proven to have critical weaknesses: https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1177.pdf
can’t be enabled by default
Yes it can, every proper E2EE messenger works like that. Signal, Threema, hell even WhatsApp uses E2EE by default.
no support for group chats
Signal has had group chats for many years now. WhatsApp uses the same encryption protocol and it also works just fine. Stop spreading misinformation, and use Signal if you want an actual secure, end-to-end encrypted, open and transparent messenger.
has been proven to have critical weaknesses
Those are not critical, just some aspects being below some arbitrary expectational values. Also it seems there is still no proofs those vector attacks are being used at all.
Yes it can
They chose to target convenience over max security. Shoving strongest options to every user by default is agaiantt that. Reasons include: no history is being saved in this mode, and the desktop client doesn’t support it.
Signal has had group chats for many years now
Just because it was implemented by others doesn’t mean it’s a way to go for everyone. From what I understand, e2e in group chats means that there is going to be a transaction of keys between all members of the chat on adding any new member, and/or on new message, which excessively increases the burden on clients and servers in case of big active chats.
You can ask telegram to implement that, but you can’t blame it for keeping it behind some gates. Telegram got implemented e2e between 2 users before other messengers got it working in any form of group chats.
and use Signal
I’ll think about it if they ditch electron.
Also it seems there is still no proofs those vector attacks are being used at all.
Ah yes, definitely go with a messenger that has known vulnerabilities in its crappy encryption protocol, instead of one with an actual secure E2EE implementation.
no history is being saved in this mode
You can still make encrypted backups of encrypted messages, as can be seen on WhatsApp or Signal
and the desktop client doesn’t support it
I don’t know what you mean, both Signal and WhatsApp have managed to ship desktop clients with full E2EE support for years now. Only Telegram is too incompetent to do that.
Telegram got implemented e2e between 2 users before other messengers got it working in any form of group chats
Just stop lying. Telegram Secret Chats have been introduced in 2017, both Signal and WhatsApp have had E2EE (including for group chats!) for much longer. Signal has had (encrypted) group chats in 2014, back when it was called TextSecure: https://signal.org/blog/the-new-textsecure/ And WhatsApp followed in 2016.
I’ll think about it if they ditch electron.
Are you mad that Signal is focusing on privacy and security by improving their encryption protocol, instead of wasting time on some UI garbage? This shows your priorities really well. Keep using unencrypted Telegram, for the cool stickers and convenient cloud backup, and keep in mind that Telegram can read all of your messages, as well as hand them over to governments.
Ah yes, definitely go with a messenger that has known vulnerabilities in its crappy encryption protocol, instead of one with an actual secure E2EE implementation.
Feel free to go any way you want. I’m not asking you to use telegram.
You can still make encrypted backups
Spend time for that, and keep them where? Maybe also need a feature to sync them between mobile and desktop?
Only Telegram is too incompetent to do that.
Not an implementation issue but a trust issue.
Just stop lying. Telegram Secret Chats have been introduced in 2017
https://telegram.org/evolution see October 2013.
both Signal and WhatsApp have had E2EE (including for group chats!) for much longer.
Whatsapp had them inctorudec in 2016.
Are you mad that Signal is focusing on privacy and security by improving their encryption protocol, instead of wasting time on some UI garbage?
I’m perfectly fine with that. More apps using electron means less chance for my pc to run garbage applications on a regular basis.
keep in mind that Telegram can read all of your messages, as well as hand them over to governments.
Keep in mind that any person in your secret chats can read your message, copy or screenshot it and hand it to anyone else. Those people know much better if you’re doing anything sketchy (or something actually good but against their beliefs), than an app developer.
You haven’t read the article or the summary from the comments, have you?
I don’t really know much about this topic even after reading the article. It does bother me however that there’s so many channels/server on Telegram full of spammers that seem to offer drugs and prostitution. It’s almost like those were the only things that exist in this world. Which is such a huge waste of a chat program.
Also who the hell listens to any of the nonsense influencers/politicians write in their heavily biased channels, seriously, I can’t find a sane reason to join those, yet strangely that seems to be the only reason the masses use this tool. It’s all just confusing.
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No.
I’ve been using it for 10 years. Back then, it just started out as a chat app with group support - just like Wahstapp, but free (yes, WA used to cost money) and way better than SMS.
My entire social circle switched to it, and has been using it ever since. Why? Because to this day, it’s easily the best chat app, feature wise. Literally every time WhatsApp or Signal or Threema add a shiny new feature, Telegram has already had it for a while.
Since Covid however, there is a huge stigma attached to it, and I do get why. It’s sad, really. I wish there was a 1:1 clone of Telegram’s chat features, minus the Channels (or whatever they are called).
With your analytical skills you should probably solve world problems and find cures for incurable diseases, don’t waste your time on us!
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