(not sure if this is the right community, sorry)
Hi, someone posted this on another server. I’d like to request we defederate with rammy.site and exploding-heads.com as well. I scrolled through some of their posts and comments and it’s full of ridiculous anti-left propaganda, for example a post where some liberal Florida family fleeing the state when some child protection laws got passed, implying liberals abuse children and won’t live in a state that doesn’t allow them to. Just take a look for yourself.
" Admins of Lemmy.ml please consider defederating from rammy.site it has been taken over by right wing malicious actors from exploding-heads.com and the admin is nowhere to be found.
It is imperative that you take action as soon as possible the users on rammy are using the site to spread their messages to a further audience, we must nip this in the bud. If you don’t believe me check the instance for yourself, you’ll see it dominated with bigoted right wing posts and spam communities."
Edit: So many commenters think this is about political opinions or disagreement. It’s not. If I said “Mixing bleach and ammonia is good for you” I bet some of you would call that a political disagreement.
Edit: I somehow failed to copy and paste
>No, I do not care to and why would I?Let’s not be like Reddit and comment essays without reading the article. That’s why. You don’t even know what you’re arguing for if you don’t look at it.
It’s been all over my all feed personally, maybe you just don’t pay attention to where content is coming from?
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No, I believe the internet is the utility. Unless actual crimes are being committed, they can have their websites. The key difference here is lemmy.sdf.org is relaying the posts from its own server, and therefore participating in spreading harmful disinformation. It’s not like a telephone company that lets anyone call, it’s like a newspaper that published anyone’s articles, or a bulletin board at the library that doesn’t moderate what’s there.
If you are going to quote me, quote me. Do not edit my quotes.
Your article is the article. Your story is you read something somewhere about these sites, not from the sites. You passed it along, later checking and finding that some of the first facts were wrong (which is fine, that happens), but that you still think there were problems here. Perhaps, even bigger problems here.
I don’t need to visit any other sites to hold the principle that federation or defederation is about network management, not the views or viewpoints of the content. Not whether the content is right or wrong or factual or not, but whether it impacts the federation itself.
If I was in charge of network or systems management here, my main concern with all of this would be that rammy.site is reportedly without any moderation/administration. But I’m just a user here, and it seems that you are too. You’ve said your bit, I’ve said mine, and we both been cordial about it.
You should keep talking about this if you remain interested in it, but I’m moving on. I just wanted to voice my view that the reason I joined this instance was because it was widely federated and not involved in what was going on at beehaw.
I literally don’t know how the quote got messed up, I copied and pasted 🤷 I have no idea what’s going on at beehaw. lemmy.ml defederated from rammy.site
Specifically answering this thought…
Beehaw is the “Aspiring to be(e) a safe, friendly and diverse place.” More information is available on their site at https://beehaw.org/ but below is a summary as far as I know it.
Quoting from their main page on the right side…
That policy is reflected on how that instance operates. They are known to be an instance that has defederated with a very large amount of other instances due to policies that those instances have as well as other things such as allowing anyone to register for an account without account approval first. (A listing is at this link and the instances they are block are under the Bl column.)
The defederating from a place because it has open registrations means that Beehaw defederated from the largest Lemmy instances due to that (referring to lemmy.world). The concern is that open registration may let undesirable people register and they do not want to federate with an instance that would condone that. If they kept the federation intact, any users “openly registering” over there could just participate on Beehaw. Beehaw prefers that their participants are vetted by someone first.
https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/66921
As such, Beehaw’s policy is to have a more isolated instance where they only interoperate with instances which are compatible with their overall mission statement. Some users prefer that and seek them out specifically for that. Other users are turned off by such things and find other instances to host their account.
Fortunately, you are able to create an account with whatever instance you want and migrate over to that new instance. Unfortunately, your account information cannot migrate over there (since Lemmy does not support that). Still, you should have account on an instance where you feel the most comfortable and then you can subscribe to communities across the Fediverse that interest you (assuming, of course, that your instance is not blocking them or is being blocked by them).
I see nothing wrong with that, they’re their own instance and can do what they want, isn’t that the point of Lemmy?
I don’t view SDF as an org that would choose to remain federated with rammy, but I could be wrong. And if I am, I will leave and choose another instance. I chose it because it’s local, has good uptime, and has a good history on the internet.
That’s right, there is nothing wrong with what they (Beehaw) are doing. Some people find it desirable and join them due to that, others find it detracting and do not join, and even more people don’t care one way or the other. People join instances for all sorts of reasons and variety helps create interesting choices.
I just mentioned what Beehaw was notable for doing in recent history since you were curious. Their actions did generate “a bit of buzz” on the Internet so people kind of associate them for the actions that they have taken.