I hope they’re putting the statues they’ve been removing in storage or something. Imo it’s kinda important history (partially due to age,1 partially because their removal is kinda big from a historical perspective) and just destroying them kinda sucks. Put them in a huge warehouse for academics to study or something.
1 (yes Europeans, I know 100yrs isn’t much and that your apartment building is probably that old. However, in the US, it’s rare for something to last more than 100yrs)
Edit: for clarification, the “historically significant” part is the fight to takedown the statues and the realization of just how many and how common they are. I’m aware they were erected after the civil war.
The monument in question was erected in 1908 by the United Daughters of the Confederacy, a group which exists to this day and remains inextricably linked to the Ku Klux Klan. Let those traitors pay to store their garbage if they want to.
Put them in a huge warehouse for academics to study or something.
We don’t need to keep these statues to understand their racist purpose, nor to document their removal for the historical record.
Let’s go bulldoze former nazi concentration camps. We have plenty of photos and videos right?
Those concentration camps weren’t built 43 years after the war by the descendants of Nazis to continue intimidating Jewish people, now were they? Do you see me claiming we should destroy civil war forts? No. You’re just trying to shift the discussion because your original point was weak enough to be countered by simply reminding you that “cameras exist.”
Now, I’m not going to continue indulging you by defending myself from claims I never made in the first place. We’re done here.
I’m aware they aren’t Confederate era. I still believe them to be historically significant due to the outrage they’ve caused. I think it’d still be worth putting them all together in a single warehouse because, at the very least, people would be able to get a true sense of the scope of the problem.
Which would have more impact, a statue or two with a description saying that hundreds of such statues existed, or a balcony overlooking said hundreds of statues?
Personally, I’d find the latter way more impactful. It’s hard to imagine just how many statues are in “hundreds of statues” (heck, some people literally can’t visualize things in their heads); seeing them altogether would probably be mind boggling.
Meh, I don’t agree with them, but I understand why they feel strongly about it. The statues were an attempt to whitewash the civil war; of course people, especially non-white Americans, are going to feel very strongly about it.
I guess the way I see it though, is that the statues are technically part of America’s civil war history. No, they weren’t put up during the Confederacy, but they were intentionally built to affect the way people saw the civil war. Afaik that kinda technically makes them a part of civil war history.
Does that mean they’re worth preserving?
Tbh, I don’t really know, I’m not a historian so I ultimately don’t know how useful they’d be for studying and teaching about the civil war and reconstruction era. I’m concerned about losing parts of human history, but if expert historians believe the statues wouldn’t have any use for research or education, then I guess there’s not really any reason to not crush or melt them down.
Another side of it is that it’s a lot harder to downplay their significance or claim them as hoaxes when the original article still exists. That doesn’t mean people won’t try to do it anyway (I mean, Holocaust denialism seems in vogue among the far right wing right now), but it makes it easier to rub their faces in their stupidity when you can point to a physical mass of statues as opposed to a photo gallery or a plaque (I can already imagine people trying to claim that the pictures were AI generated or that the media was making a bigger deal about it than it actually is).
I’ve also already seen some people who seem to think that if the statues are removed, then the problem magically disappears and America isn’t racist anymore. That’s gross and makes me uncomfortable. America has a very racist, bigoted history. Don’t try to whitewash American history like that.
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone explicitly state it, however I remember seeing a handful of people on Reddit who’s comments seemed to imply that view point several years ago when people first started talking about removing them. I could have been misinterpreting what they were saying, but that was the impression I got and it grossed me out.
im actually in favor of charging them for this, and using the most overpriced government contractor you can find, with some absurd conditions about how visible they can be from outside (not at all) etc. maybe add an expensive certification. if their heritage is really that expensive, they can pay out the ass for it.
or, gouge them just the same, and give all the money to the SPLC or something.
I used to believe this, then I remembered cameras exist. They can be 3d scanned for the academics or whatever, I think the loosers don’t deserve trophies.
The “Confederate” monument that was removed wasn’t a Civil War monument; it was bullshit put up 50 years after-the-fact by
“Lost Cause” nutcases. It’d be like if MAGAs put up a statue of George Wallace in 2024 to celebrate this fuckery.
Metro Atlanta does have a few legitimate Civil War monuments that actually deserve preservation, but this was not one of them!
I know they aren’t confederate-era. The thing that I think makes them historically significant is the fact they’ve caused so much outrage. As such, I think it’s important to showcase just how much of a problem they are. It’s not like a single statue here or there, there are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of them.
As I asked in another reply, which would be more impactful, seeing a statue or two with a plaque that says something about hundreds of them existing, or a balcony overlooking a warehouse full of them? Personally, I think the latter would have a much stronger impact on me because it would emphasize just how many of them there are/were.
I hope they’re putting the statues they’ve been removing in storage or something. Imo it’s kinda important history (partially due to age,1 partially because their removal is kinda big from a historical perspective) and just destroying them kinda sucks. Put them in a huge warehouse for academics to study or something.
1 (yes Europeans, I know 100yrs isn’t much and that your apartment building is probably that old. However, in the US, it’s rare for something to last more than 100yrs)
Edit: for clarification, the “historically significant” part is the fight to takedown the statues and the realization of just how many and how common they are. I’m aware they were erected after the civil war.
The monument in question was erected in 1908 by the United Daughters of the Confederacy, a group which exists to this day and remains inextricably linked to the Ku Klux Klan. Let those traitors pay to store their garbage if they want to.
We don’t need to keep these statues to understand their racist purpose, nor to document their removal for the historical record.
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Take a damn picture before you melt 'em down if you want. Traitors don’t deserve statues, and racists don’t get to keep them.
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Those concentration camps weren’t built 43 years after the war by the descendants of Nazis to continue intimidating Jewish people, now were they? Do you see me claiming we should destroy civil war forts? No. You’re just trying to shift the discussion because your original point was weak enough to be countered by simply reminding you that “cameras exist.”
Now, I’m not going to continue indulging you by defending myself from claims I never made in the first place. We’re done here.
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How would statues enhance any of the discussions you suggest?
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I’m aware they aren’t Confederate era. I still believe them to be historically significant due to the outrage they’ve caused. I think it’d still be worth putting them all together in a single warehouse because, at the very least, people would be able to get a true sense of the scope of the problem.
Which would have more impact, a statue or two with a description saying that hundreds of such statues existed, or a balcony overlooking said hundreds of statues?
Personally, I’d find the latter way more impactful. It’s hard to imagine just how many statues are in “hundreds of statues” (heck, some people literally can’t visualize things in their heads); seeing them altogether would probably be mind boggling.
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Meh, I don’t agree with them, but I understand why they feel strongly about it. The statues were an attempt to whitewash the civil war; of course people, especially non-white Americans, are going to feel very strongly about it.
I guess the way I see it though, is that the statues are technically part of America’s civil war history. No, they weren’t put up during the Confederacy, but they were intentionally built to affect the way people saw the civil war. Afaik that kinda technically makes them a part of civil war history.
Does that mean they’re worth preserving?
Tbh, I don’t really know, I’m not a historian so I ultimately don’t know how useful they’d be for studying and teaching about the civil war and reconstruction era. I’m concerned about losing parts of human history, but if expert historians believe the statues wouldn’t have any use for research or education, then I guess there’s not really any reason to not crush or melt them down.
Another side of it is that it’s a lot harder to downplay their significance or claim them as hoaxes when the original article still exists. That doesn’t mean people won’t try to do it anyway (I mean, Holocaust denialism seems in vogue among the far right wing right now), but it makes it easier to rub their faces in their stupidity when you can point to a physical mass of statues as opposed to a photo gallery or a plaque (I can already imagine people trying to claim that the pictures were AI generated or that the media was making a bigger deal about it than it actually is).
I’ve also already seen some people who seem to think that if the statues are removed, then the problem magically disappears and America isn’t racist anymore. That’s gross and makes me uncomfortable. America has a very racist, bigoted history. Don’t try to whitewash American history like that.
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I don’t think I’ve seen anyone explicitly state it, however I remember seeing a handful of people on Reddit who’s comments seemed to imply that view point several years ago when people first started talking about removing them. I could have been misinterpreting what they were saying, but that was the impression I got and it grossed me out.
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im actually in favor of charging them for this, and using the most overpriced government contractor you can find, with some absurd conditions about how visible they can be from outside (not at all) etc. maybe add an expensive certification. if their heritage is really that expensive, they can pay out the ass for it.
or, gouge them just the same, and give all the money to the SPLC or something.
I used to believe this, then I remembered cameras exist. They can be 3d scanned for the academics or whatever, I think the loosers don’t deserve trophies.
The “Confederate” monument that was removed wasn’t a Civil War monument; it was bullshit put up 50 years after-the-fact by “Lost Cause” nutcases. It’d be like if MAGAs put up a statue of George Wallace in 2024 to celebrate this fuckery.
Metro Atlanta does have a few legitimate Civil War monuments that actually deserve preservation, but this was not one of them!
I know they aren’t confederate-era. The thing that I think makes them historically significant is the fact they’ve caused so much outrage. As such, I think it’s important to showcase just how much of a problem they are. It’s not like a single statue here or there, there are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of them.
As I asked in another reply, which would be more impactful, seeing a statue or two with a plaque that says something about hundreds of them existing, or a balcony overlooking a warehouse full of them? Personally, I think the latter would have a much stronger impact on me because it would emphasize just how many of them there are/were.