I have nothing against Signal. I just don’t have access to a phone number right now. I fully intend to use the Signal when I get a number. I know there is no silver bullet, no absolutes in the privacy world but I’m looking for any messengers that are generally considered to be private and secure on Android that I can try to convince my friends and family to use. I have a mid - low threat model, it’s just the thought of giving the Zuck anymore of my family’s data makes my skin crawl.

  • HarriPotero@lemmy.worldEnglish
    10·
    2 years ago

    I like Element.

    It’s a matrix client. Polished and nice. It’s ok all the platforms under an Apache license. No phone number required. You’ve got federation on matrix as well, so just sign up on any server.

    • honk@feddit.deEnglish
      3·
      2 years ago

      Polished? No… don‘t bother with element if you want a good user experience. It‘s a buggy mess

      • contessa@kbin.social
        6·
        2 years ago

        Element has come a LONG way during the pandemic. If you haven’t tried it recently, I’d encourage you to give it another shot.

        • honk@feddit.de
          5·
          2 years ago

          I mean I don‘t want to discourage anyone from trying it out. I believe that the protocol is the future of messaging and I really want this to be the next big thing. But you need some masochism to acutally use it day to day. It‘s just not there yet. But give it a shot.

        • dngray@lemmy.oneM
          1·
          2 years ago

          It seems to be the only platform which constantly improves, noticeably each year. While some of the others do, it’s often not so noticeable.

      • MeowdyPardner@kbin.social
        4·
        2 years ago

        It used to be very buggy, but it’s gained a lot of polish recently, especially if you haven’t used it since Spaces were introduced. Sometime before then I think the cross verification/signing user flow for E2E key management also greatly improved with the introduction of QR and emoji based cross-device verification for syncing encryption between existing signed-in sessions to newly signed in devices. The only bug I ever notice these days is the “mark as read” quick action in android notifications being broken on notifications older than a couple hours.

        • honk@feddit.de
          3·
          2 years ago

          I use it everyday and it‘s still an absolute mess of a service.

          Literally nothing works reliably :D

          To be fair it might work a little bit better on android than on iOS and Desktop but the people I chat with that use android complain about the same shit.

        • honk@feddit.deEnglish
          5·
          2 years ago

          First of all it‘s slow. Like really slow. Sometimes loading a room takes 20 seconds.

          Nothing really works reliably. Currently I‘m unable to leave a chat for whatever reason. Sometimes (like twice a week) the encryption just breaks. Every single message gets marked with a red excalmation point, saying that the keys are missing. The app keeps telleing me that I have unread messages even though i‘ve read all messages. I then have to mark every chat as read a couple of times. Sometimes only clearing the cache of the app helps. That happens every day.

          There is probably more but that‘s what came to my mind first

          Oh yeah…the service has privacy issues too when it comes to meta data. I feel like the bottom line here is, that Matrix/element are not there yet. It‘s very much alpha software that is not suitable for everyday use outside of nerds that enjoy the pain.