You’ll see anarchists praising Rosa Luxemburg, who if they had actually read her writings – they would see that she was very clearly one of the “authoritarian” socialists that they rail against so much.

You see them praise the Black Panthers, who were supported financially by the DPRK and aligned themselves with the Juche ideology of Kim Il Sung.

They even praise Thomas Sankara, who purged anarchists and arrested syndicalists.

If these people had succeeded, i have no doubt in my mind that anarchists would call them “tankies,” they would call their experiments “capitalism with a red flag.” And I also have no doubt in my mind that if the October Revolution, Chinese Revolution had been crushed, they would hail Lenin and Mao as proletarian heroes.

  • non-diegetic screams@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    17·
    1 year ago

    The Black Panthers were complimentary of the DPRK, and had warm relations with them:

    https://archive.ph/QYo19

    I don’t think your quote is a summary that really shows what the BPP might’ve liked about Juche:

    The Juche idea was created on the basis of such a practical requirement of the Korean revolution. The revolution is a struggle to meet the masses’ desire for independence by enlisting their strength. It is a struggle of the masses to free themselves. When they are armed with the revolutionary idea and united into an organized political force, the masses can emerge victorious in the revolution. The duty of revolutionaries is to go among the popular masses, masters of the revolution. to educate, organize, and inspire them to a struggle. The revolutionary forces, too, should be trained from among the masses, and all problems arising in the revolutionary struggle should likewise be resolved in reliance on their wisdom and strength.

    (On the Juche Idea - Kim Jong-Il p7)

    I italicized the bit that stood out to me as most like the BPP.

    The DPRK is mostly viewed pretty well here, btw. It’s not an insult or a smear to align the Black Panthers with them. It’s a compliment.

      • non-diegetic screams@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
        15·
        1 year ago

        I’m not in a big argumentative mood today, so I’d like to avoid any big debates if that’s ok! :)

        Lemmygrad is mostly Marxist-Leninist communists, and the DPRK is usually seen as adapting MLism to their conditions.

        When you start to dig into the U$ understanding of the DPRK, you’ll start to see that most of the negative, weird, news we read about them is either attributed to anonymous sources or directly comes from the CIA. Most of the insane, hard to believe stuff is pretty likely to be untrue.

        The conditions in the DPRK aren’t perfect, but they’re a direct result of being under siege for something like 90 years, sanctioned (literally) to death by the U$, and having something like 80% of all standing structures obliterated during the Korean war. It’s hard, but it looks like they’re making the best of what they can.

        If you’re curious, I’m happy to try to dig up some of the source threads from here and reddit. They’ve been talked about before!