Imaging being in the 21st century, holding one of those signs, and thinking you’re the good guys.
It’s quite simple: Just be a profoundly stupid and broken human being.
I am willing to bet that it has significantly more to do with narcissism and a religious-indoctrination-induced mental illness than it does stupidity.
There’s a reason they’ve been attacking education for generations. There’s a reason donnie gassed a bunch of protesters to hold a bible upside down in front of a church. Religion literally teaches you to disregard logic and “just have faith”, from birth. The sooner people understand the real problem the sooner it can be resolved.
I just recently came across this on Lemmy, and thought it was a wonderful time to reuse it.
I’m starting to see the whole “endless cycle of suffering” thing now and how it came to be. The absolute madness of generational amnesia is agony.
Its the people who think it’s not that bad yet who doom us every single time
“we can yet still make more money”
I’ve watched it happen my whole life without knowing. The lessons of the past can’t be passed on to future generations. They must be relearned. I’ve seen it just trying to teach my own kids, but it’s global.
I am slowly giving up hope of politics; Hitler is after all the Chosen One of his people. I do not believe that he is in the least bit shaky, I am slowly beginning to think that his regime can really still last for decades. There is so much lethargy in the German people and so much immorality and above all so much stupidity.Victor Klemperer, I Will Bear Witness 1933-1941: A Diary of the Nazi Years
Imagine actually living in that era, not knowing how things ended as we do today. Scary.
The existential dread from the past is the same existential dread of today. We also do not know how things might turn out.
It’s not the same. Similar but not the same. Things were definitely farther along back then. Much closer to tyrannical world domination.
Mass deportation? Start with the ones holding the signs. Keep going till there are none left.
Well that’s just unfair on whatever countries they’d go to
Who said anything about sending them to another country?
Toss them on a boat, and only fuel it up enough to make it halfway to their destination.
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Only 29.2% of the world surface is land. Seems weird to focus on that area when deliberating where to send them.
It’s ok though because Anne Frank’s diary has been banned in several states so there is no conflict.
What states? I’m curious
A quick Google search gives Texas, Florida, and Virginia.
I’m confused why these people are most concerned about immigrants more than anything else.
If you deport them, what next? It’s not gonna solve all your problems.
Same reason other groups have been blamed over the years. In Nazi Germany, the Jews were blamed for basically everything - the loss of the war, inequality, etc. MAGA is doing the same thing, but with immigrants.
Why? Blaming someone else for your problems is a lot easier than understanding what’s actually going on and going after that. Amusingly, MAGA leaders are using it as a diversionary tactic as they put policies in place that benefit the wealthiest. Pitting the poor against one another prevents them from seeing what’s actually happening.
Blaming someone else for your problems is a lot easier than understanding what’s actually going on
I would argue it isn’t just a matter of making things “easy”. Migration is a symptom of larger socio-economic and ecological changes.
Drug wars, crack downs on native rights and labor movements, climate-change induced economic collapse, and the wholesale destruction of local communities through industrial development have created a population of tens of millions of displaced people.
Even when you understand “what’s going on” there’s very little you can do about it. But one thing Americans can do and have gotten really good at is building big gated communities to keep poor people out while still exploiting their cheap labor.
The urge to arrest and deport large numbers of migrants is, at its root, the urge to build a more advanced and comprehensive gated community. One that can still exploit the labor of America’s southern neighbors without sharing any of the infrastructure we’ve developed to make life pleasant in the states.
And the urge is deepened as the prior generation’s investment in infrastructure shows visible signs of collapse. With fewer functioning highways, aquifers, generators, and public services, the American impulse is to start expelling the poorest among us in order to horde the balance.
Pitting the poor against one another prevents them from seeing what’s actually happening.
Pitting the middle class against the poor promises to guarantee another generation of relative prosperity. This is a kind of ultimatum issued by the very rich, and not unique to a particular party. You either get on the right side of immigration, or we take away your privileges and expel you, too.
The fight between Dems and Repubs is less about whether we do a mass expulsion (its easy to find homeless roundups in a dozen major blue cities from Houston to NYC to Chicago) and more about who we target for atrocity.
They’ve been told that it will, they’ve not thought that far ahead
Mass deportation would cause catastrophic problems in the United States. Mainly to red states.
It’s also a logistical nightmare.
How do you get millions of people out of the country in a timely fashion.
They’d need some place to put all of them for sorting, some kind of camp where they could concentrate the population.
Likely they’d just be sitting around all day, but thanks to the 14th amendment, they can be put to work for free.
And it would take forever to get all these people over the border, and they could just come right back over. They’d need some kind of long term solution, something final to prevent more immigrants from coming over.
Yeah this is gonna be bad.
It sounds like they want a final solution.
I’m confused why these people are most concerned about immigrants more than anything else.
Spend a few hours on the right-wing news circuit and you’ll discover everything from serial murder to economic downturns to my favorite candidate losing the election to the price of milk is directly related to Illegal Immigrants Breaking The Law. They’re all voting. They’re sneaking into the country to do horrible crimes. They’re destroying everything about this country that’s noble and honest and good. They are dismantling the English language. They dress stupid. They’re doing Michael Bay style action movie heists and car chases. They’re impregnating your daughter right this instant and that’s why she won’t return your phone calls.
And they are all working at the behest of a (((shadowy evil organization))) of far-left communist radicals who have been plotting for the last 500 years to destroy American, end Christianity, and force white people into slavery under the yoke of Chinese Muslim College Leftist Atheist Satanist Pedophiles.
If you’re not worried about immigrants, you hate America.
You wanna know why? Because they are a group that can’t defend themselves. Fascists need enemies. If it is not immigrants, it is the “transexuals and gays”. They need a “Snowball” that is the source of every woe.
Watch this. https://youtu.be/vGAqYNFQdZ4?si=sZSPK3ELrY35xrFn The 1947 US Department of Defense can explain it better than I can.
They are their problems. Not like they can admit that though. If you eliminate all the immigrants then they will just target another group. Just like they already are. The root cause of their problems is and always has been themselves and they are too stupid to see it.
Then they can go after the “communists”
Happiness is a zero sum game.
They don’t care about solving problems. They care about having something to get angry and complain about. And as a bonus they can virtue signal to each other about how they really do hate the people they’re supposed to hate.
Okay, yes, sure. This looks like a prelude to a holocaust. But have you considered the fact that Anne Frank was breaking the law?
Hasn’t mass deportation been happening since Obama? Didn’t Biden up the efforts with his administration? Kamala went down to the border and said “Do not come”, yet these people are pretending it’s not happening.
This is a delicate topic. There is deportation of people who’s asylum claim fails. But there is a dog whistle from Trump to deport “the other”, especially when ending birthright citizenship is also whistled.
I don’t like how we currently handle the immigration, but if you think any of what is happening now or under Obama was bad, wait until you see what trump plans. To compare the mass deportations planned by trump and his plan to Obama is a bad faith, both sides argument.
Why do people on this site assume others haven’t thought of things? What is this need to be overly nit-picky and pedantic? Have you considered that maybe what I’m saying is different than what you thought and that I’m only criticizing some aspect of the whole? You’re the second person doing that today. Instead of outright accusing someone of things, why don’t you ask clarifying questions first?
E: Downvote if you feel identified. God forbid someone expresses their frustration at this neckbeard behavior.
Why do people on this site assume others haven’t thought of things? What is this need to be overly nit-picky and pedantic? Have you considered that maybe what I’m saying is different than what you thought and that I’m only criticizing some aspect of the whole? You’re the second person doing that today. Instead of outright accusing someone of things, why don’t you ask clarifying questions first?
E: Downvote if you feel identified. God forbid someone expresses their frustration at this neckbeard behavior.
wait until you see what trump plans.
What does this have to do with the comment you’re responding to?
Holy fuck they made signs about it?
You want to strictly enforce illegal immigration and do mass deportation? Ok, but then we need to jail any business owner who hires undocumented workers. Massive fines and actual jail time.
Let see how Republican business owners feel about that. Dry up the demand for these jobs and the supply will decrease.
Of course I know these fascists will come up with excuses as to why they don’t want that since the benefit from a vulnerable working poor class of workers for them to exploit at farms, construction companies, hospitality jobs, etc.
But I also don’t want to lock up the person employing another one out of goodness. Hiring 1-2 people shouldn’t be the thing to punish.I want the people and the industries who make a habit of using and abusing undocumented labor to deal with a rule like this. Agriculture and meat processing, especially.
Tbh, I don’t think what I suggested was an actually viable solution, I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of the anti-immigration people. They just want a permanent class of vulnerable workers to exploit. If I had no morals and ran a business who exploited these low wage vulnerable workers, having the fear of being deported would certainly “keep them in line”, continue to work in these horrible conditions, and accept my low wages.
Of course none of the “illegal immigrant” discussions from the GOP touch on stemming the business side of things.
I think you’re totally right about the permanent underclass thing. And it has been for a long time. This week I was looking into the history of education migrants’ kids in the US. Our current stance of educating kids came from Texas passing a law in the 70s to strip state funding for schools which chose to enroll the children of undocumented people. (Another case of Texas using its state power to bully people; it’s always fucking Texas). That law was challenged and in 1982 the Supreme Court ruled against it; Judge Brennan wrote an opinion specifically citing the creation of a permanent underclass of illiterate people not fit to contribute to any country. He called it “bad public policy.” It was crazy to see like, reasonable ideas about society come through in a supreme court ruling, that’s a long time past.
I think it could be viable to lock up/fine into oblivion employers hiring migrant labor specifically to be abusive/cheap. But of course a lot of monied interests would be against it. America always seems terrified about scaring corporations off. And it’s so much easier to blame individuals and have them internalize the pain than to deal with the systems which set the situations.
Do they mean to say deport themselves? Isn’t America a land of immigrants essentially at this point?
I bet many of these folks have have Irish ancestors who escaped poverty and the famine. That’s like telling people to go back to their poverty-stricken land. Which is impossible considering that climate-change is only creating economic disasters many developing countries.
I say this and will say it again: there are no such thing as illegal immigrants anymore in the face of climate-change.
Undocumented Immigrants ≠ Illegal Immigrants. It isn’t illegal to be human anywhere.
Never seen so many Karen’s in one Pic. You just know these are type of women that think their word is final. They believe they know all
Little do they know they’ve been duped by the biggest conman of all time, trump. A man that wins votes by instilling fear. A conman that’s voter base are the most easily conned folks on earth. They will believe anything as long as it’s back by some form of fear. Some of the dumbest people on earth unable to think for themselves
These type of women know they are second hand citizens in their homes, they know that they are oppressed, but the thought of power having on a lesser group of people ( that they think those people are) is huge, they want to have some sort of power and they’re just getting that from maga.
A man that wins votes by instilling fear.
This is one of those things you can honestly “both sides”. Trump tries to get votes by instilling fear of immigrants and trans, Dems try to get votes by instilling fear of Trump. Because neither for the most part are willing to present a positive reason to vote for them that would remotely get enough votes to win.
You think fear of immigrants and fear of fascism are comparably illegitimate? Oof
I think fear that if a Republican wins office it will be the end of democracy and we will collapse into a single party totalitarian system is probably unfounded, yes.
I suspect the Democrat party feels the same way behind closed doors, otherwise we wouldn’t have heard their candidate at the time (this was before Biden quit) say “I’ll feel, as long as I gave it my all and I did [as] good a job as I know I can do, that’s what this is about." That’s not a thing you say if you genuinely believe that this election is the last chance to save the country from becoming an authoritarian fascist state.
But really that’s besides the point - the point is that both sides actively engage in trying to terrify their voters into voting for them because neither can present a reason why we should want to vote for them in remotely enough numbers to win otherwise.
Is this real?
I had to look into it because all I was finding was still images or articles that talked about it but didn’t have any pictures of it once you clicked into it. It’s unfortunately real, this vid has a segment with Rachel Maddow and Jacob Soboroff at the RNC convention last month (where this took place) talking about it and showing them.
That video clip was the only thing I could find and it’s on a horrible website, I don’t suggest going beyond looking at that video. I spent the past hour trying to find the segment on another site but no one seems to have it (if someone finds the same segment let me know so I can update the link and remove the other one).
Apparently it is.
Mass Deportation Now!” declared the signs at the Republican National Convention
https://www.cbs58.com/news/mass-deportation-now-signs-on-display-at-milwaukee-rnc-spark-conversation
Seriously, how does “mass deportation now” poll? Even the magic wand version that just magically knows who has legal documents and who doesn’t without major disruption to those with legal status, that can’t have more than 20%-30% approval right? I don’t understand why this would be something they would make signs about.
Edit: well, I was off, the magic wand version gets 51% which at least makes some sense to have signs. Usually you’d have something more popular as a main signpost of your campaign but I guess it’s not insane.
If any pro-deportation voter were to learn exactly what “mass deportation” entailed and actually looked like, they would not only immediately change stance, but they would also question our current system and how much resources we’re spending on chasing individual humans around the country to move them briefly.
They are WWE wrestlemania fans who chant a slogan, paint their faces and repeat the taglines. They don’t even have the most remote ideas or perspectives on what our national infrastructure and policy enforcement look like.
A mass deportation would be the largest, most expensive project we’ve undertaken as a nation, there would be a sacrifice of rights like we’ve never seen, you would have to hire literally a million more agents and give them the power to crawl through anyone’s personal lives, and the infrastructure alone in moving these people around would be a scale that beats our current mass transportation system by miles. Presuming the same powers that formed such overreaching organizations don’t decide to just Holocaust the whole idea and start shipping dark skinned people by train to special camps outside town, and the worst part is there are soup-brained centrists reading this line and rolling their eyes and thinking “Such a thing could never happen in the modern world” from their safe, sheltered lives they assume will never change.
Who likes all our pretty songs,
And he likes to sing along,
And he likes to shoot his gun,
But he knows not what it means,
Knows not what it means,
If any pro-deportation voter were to learn
I think I found a flaw in your logic.
Trump wins and we have camps by the end of 2025. We should expect the executions to start shortly after
The camps are already built, they just aren’t being used yet.
Harris pledged to bring back border security bill
She’s openly promising to be worse than Trump.
I don’t see anything in the Biden bill about deporting people who have been living in the US for any amount of time. It seems to be all about quickly turning around new migrants during “surges” and changes to the way new cases are handled. I’m not saying I support the bill, but it does not seem to be a mass deportation bill. Tell me if I’m wrong.
It’s not a mass deportation bill, but it is an asylum denial bill that violates international law and it’s one that Trump killed.
Trump killed a legitimately bad and cruel bill. He did it because he’s a petty idiot and he didn’t want to let his rival have a “win”, but he still did it. Harris promises to bring that awful shit back. All bipartisan bills are bad, every time. Whenever democrats start talking about bipartisanship, realize what they’re actually talking about is fascist collaboration.
The other party is the enemy. We shouldn’t be working with them, we should be- doing something else with them. 🙂
Yeah muricas politics is fucked, yet Trump is still a worse choice in pretty much all regards. I could even imagine him bringing back a worse law…
It’s choosing for the lesser evil…
The lesser evil is doing genocide.
Trump is the vulgar evil, which is why under Trump we saw the largest protest movement in US history. When Trump does and says his stupid evil bullshit, people fight back.
Bipartisanship is the boring evil, it tries to lull people to sleep. People in the US are still fighting back against the bipartisan genocide consensus, but it can’t reach the same critical mass of outrage that happened under Trump.
As far as I’m concerned Democrats who appeal to bipartisanship are fascist collaborators, and collaborators are not a lesser evil.
The lesser evil is doing genocide.
And the greater evil will do more genocide. It’s not a hard concept to grasp.
If the government is doing genocide it must be stopped by any means necessary.
Well, go for it. Good luck.
And how? With two bad choices (but one less bad)? You want to run against the strongest military in the world and police? Don’t get me wrong, but I would also wish for different politics in the USA, but it ain’t realistically happen. So as European I can just hope they don’t vote for that racist narcissistic douchebag Trump. I mean my respect for Americans suffered irreversibly when he got elected in the first place…
