• Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
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    creating 7 new radicals for every non-militant we kill on the way to taking out one specific person.

    Nah I’m not convinced by this argument tbh

    You’ll never have me sympathize with religious terrorists no matter what. They have forfeited their lives and I’m happy to see them succeed in that regard be it foreign soil, tunnels, moon or mars.

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      I’m an atheist, dude. But you seem to be fond of authoritarian overreach in the weirdest way. This is like cheering on the Saudis for extrajudicially dismembering Khashoggi in a foreign state.

      In this case, is the Israeli government not commiting the same kind of crimes as religious terrorists by their systematic oppression of the Palestinian peoples and their murder via bombs launched at schools due to a religious claim to an area that they controlled in their holy books but have not had control over for 700+ years and their colonizing of the area was precipitated by the ethnocentrism of the early to mid parts of the 1900s before the second world war was even a thing?

      Hamas? Bad. Israeli government? Bad. Extrajudicial killings? Bad. Killing people in third countries? Bad.

      There are no winners here.

      But you be you I guess.

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        Way too many people think we live in a black and white world where if something is bad, anyone opposing that something is good.

        And if they stopped to think about it, they’d realize why that was silly. Drilling for oil is bad. That doesn’t mean using whale oil instead is good.

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          If people stopped to think about things a bit more deeply than gut reaction and black and white, life would be a lot better for all of us.

          But that requires education and critical thinking skills. And in the USA, we have an entire political party that is actively against the fostering of critical thinking specifically because they will cease to exist if people think about the world beyond their fox news screedcast for more than 10 minutes.

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        That such a huuge strech. And a comparison that almost seems intentional. Hajukchi was a journalist. Hanyia was the mastermind of oct 7 and the leader of probably the most vicious terrorist organization on earth. One is a terrorist and one is a journalist. Are you suggesting countries attacked by terrorists should give them a free pass just cause they fled their territory?

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          I don’t condone blowing up children, no matter how much you wanna kill a terrorist. Not when the USA does it, not when Israel does it, not when Hamas does it.

          I don’t condone extrajudicial murder other states/countries.

          I gave Khashoggi as an example. Choose from the bucket of awful things any other example you like.

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      So you think we should start exterminating all those Christian Republicans?

      Trump claims to be Christian, and advocates for violence. I suppose you think he should be first?

      I like your thinking.

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        Yes if they start flying into a concert in Canada and raping and murdering everyone while also having 80% support in their country then yes, we should objectively get rid of them. These are incredibly dangerous and unethical people to the point where they forfeit their right to exist in our society.

        I really don’t get the confusion here. Some people are so bad we can safely get rid of them. The bar is very high but for some reason these fuckers keep reaching it.

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          Why does flying into a concert become a requirement?

          Surely entering another sovereign nation and killing and raping the civilians, like Russia is doing to Ukraine, or Israel did to Palestine in 1948, or Israel did again in 1980 is sufficient?

          In fact, why does it need to be another country? Armed groups that attempt a coup, such as what happened in Brazil in Februrary 2023, or the US in Jan 2021 should be treated as hostiles. Since he supported it, and has sexually assaulted people, I think Trump falls into your definition.

          I don’t think I’m confused with your position, I was just wanting to clarify, because it sounds like we are all in agreement.