And another important reminder:
What’s the Y axis for the middle graph? Also only having 3 data points in such a brief window doesn’t really say much. Finally the grouping metric of “won majority of presidential elections from 2000 to 2020” isn’t clear and isn’t necessarily reflexive of policy. A more appropriate metric might be the party of the governor or the majority parties of their chambers.
I think the y-axis shows number of kids.
I agree with what you’re saying though—3 points does not make a compelling statement. I also agree that a better metric probably exists than what was posted. I’d add on and would like to know what the error bands represent—standard error, confidence intervals, or something else?
Number of kids per what? If it’s just number of kids total that is such an astonishingly low number and a meaningless distinction between governance. Assuming a total average of 12 victims per state and US child population of 73.4 million that amounts to 0.0000082% being abused.
Given the other graphs, you can probably assume per 100,000, but it would be nice if they were consistent.
What’s the Y axis for the middle graph?
That’s the percentage of kids who’ve reported some kind of sexual violence.
Also only having 3 data points in such a brief window doesn’t really say much.
I disagree because it’s not really just about these YRBS surveys, it’s the whole pattern. When we consider how conservatives are the only ones voting in favor of child marriage, and how pundits and randos on the internet will defend teen pregnancy, even if it was just one survey that showed a difference between red and blue states that would just be confirmation of a pattern that’s already pretty obvious, and we should seriously ask why their ideology leads to this kind of stuff, and how to remedy it. Even if it’s just a 2% point increase, this means that hundreds of thousands of children could be saved from abuse if conservatism was less prevalent.
Finally the grouping metric of “won majority of presidential elections from 2000 to 2020” isn’t clear and isn’t necessarily reflexive of policy. A more appropriate metric might be the party of the governor or the majority parties of their chambers.
There’s really no definitive metric for “red” vs. “blue” states, so while presidential election results will obviously reflect the politics of the people in that state, I do agree that it’s not a thorough measure - but this same pattern holds even when using other measures of political affiliation.
I say this because I have some additional context here, as these graphs are part of an article I’m writing about the “pedocon” theory, and I can tell you that this same pattern shows up regardless of how we measure politics or CSA. Whether it’s polling on how many people identify as Republicans vs. Democrats, or liberals vs. conservatives, or left-wing vs. right-wing, this correlation is still there. Looking at governor or chambers specifically could be an interesting addition, but I fully expect the same pattern to hold.
I would have expected the reported sexual abuse cases to be lower in conservative states. You know, because victims would feel more shame and danger so fewer of them would come forward and fewer would file police reports? Is the first graph measuring estimated abuse or reported abuse?
First graph is all reported child sexual abuse cases that were substantiated. You can see the full tables in the ACF website, and in 2021 specifically there were 59,328 CSA cases in the U.S. that were substantiated.
The percentage of kids who’ve officially reported sexual abuse actually seems to be decreasing considering not only the decrease you see in the graph (and it decreased further in 2022 to 59,044 cases), but also because in the Youth Risk Behavior Survey the percentage of teens who said they’ve experienced some kind of sexual violence increased from 9.7% in 2017 to 11% in 2021, and for rape specifically it went from 7.4% to 8.5%.
Well that’s an awful trend.
For republican’s, the last one is a feature, not a bug.
Ages ago I posted a meme to r/PoliticalCompassMemes about how Lauren Boebert was happy to become a grandma at 36 when her 17 year old son had a kid, which is obviously very weird and unhealthy. Like clockwork, a lot of ‘AuthRight’ flairs came to the comments to defend teen pregnancy. You can see the post here if you really want to have a look at the hellhole that is PCM: https://redd.it/11n2z00
So yeah, it pretty much is a feature for them.
This is the second time I’ve seen a link to the other site here. Boy does it remind what a hellhole it was.
Remember, Republicans say “protect”, but they mean “control.”
Even that’s the old republicans. These perverts want to look at children’s genitals. Fucking weirdos
Fascists are fucking perverts. And I don’t mean that in a fun, anti-system way. I mean freakishly, evil perversion.
The 1950s ideas that sexual repression is what caused the Nazis were wrong but thet were onto something about fascism and sexual expression.
Fascists are freaks, and again I stress as a queer, non-normative sexual expressive person, not in a fun way.
Not that I disagree with your assessment, but this is just another kind of control - it’s about having power over a person’s body, while denying them the agency to stop you. Sexual abuse and rape are rarely driven by lust or desire; they come from a need to dominate, to manipulate, and to express total power over someone.
I must isolate and protect you from yourself. Pet
Republicans are so despicably wretched, odiously rotten and weird.
That child on the right is just like, “Fuck you, hoe; you just stole my childhood”
The kids in that photo are not the ones that will be working in factories at 12. She’s just deeply uncharismatic to the point of being inhuman and kids respond to that .
And Huckabee was, like, “off to the mines with you, filthy urchins!”
The minors yearn for the mines.
Minors be miners.
You cannot say you care at all about education and not make sure students are being fucking fed. I don’t care what political dogma you subscribe to, feeding kids in school needs to be a priority period. Once that is fixed (and it should take no more than like a week to fix in my opinion), the US needs to also better regulate the quality of food provided in schools. On average it is atrocious in this country.
No, we couldn’t possibly feed these children! They just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get to work! Maybe then they’ll be able to afford food! /s
Even a good sweatshop knows if you feed the children you get more labor return out of them. That’s what I mean, you can spin this from whatever angle you want and the answer is always feed them.
The thing is, the people pushing these anti-free-lunch policies don’t actually care about the children.
The majority of those in poverty are not white.
Voters (and the politicians they support) are substantially more white in the Republican party, than the Democratic party.
And the Republican party often ends up spreading white supremacist ideology like the Great Replacement Theory.
When kids in poverty can’t learn, or even survive, due to lack of food, are of a race you think is trying to replace you, and you know is less likely to vote for you… well, I think you can see their motivations.
Once upon a time white supremacist were the periphery of the republican party. Sure many mainstream Republicans were racist as all hell, but few were outright white supremacists. But over time the far right and altright have taken over. Now the alleged moderate republican is the periphery.
Imagine being told that these two groups of faces are from people all in the same picture, and what that would tell you about the relationship between the two groups.
That fuckin’ Porg-lookin’ cunt.
I think that’s unfair. The left one is a cute, non-sentient bird and the right is a weird, non-sapient piece of shit.
Walz is kind of a chad, actually
Absolutely. Have you heard him speak!? He’s intelligent, empathetic, and down-to-earth.
He’s the one who started saying shit is weird. I’m all about the former Highschool coach and teacher bringing his unique approach to Republicans childish bullshit
That, too!
Those poor kids with Sarah Slanders look absolutely horrified, rightly so
SHS looks like a lizard person.
She’s doing that thing where the mouth smiles weirdly hard but the eyes don’t smile at all.
Smiling like she just bit her tongue.
Like a psychopath?
Really have low expectations for how politicians look (although I think I might have a touch of racism against orange ones). What bothers me though is that she actually acts like a lizard person.
Don’t forget to pay your taxes, children!
Ugh… I had forgotten about this banana peel. She sends shiver down my spine…
Looks aside, she’s actually a real ghoul. My heart breaks for those poor kids
What company are the 3 kids on the left middle management for?
On the right, no?
Remind me again which of the two parties in a quasi-democratic two party-only sham system actually represents labor over corporations.
For a second there, I thought this community was called “tribalism” then had to double check that it wasn’t “neoliberalism”.
The democrats give us just enough human decency to prevent us from waking up en masse and revolting and you libs to eat it up and start a change.org petition to canonize them.
Edit: I guess you tribalists need to see me say it: The Republicans are even worse!
The true test is how both of these shitbag parties treat POOR PEOPLE. Dems love LGBTQIA+ but continue to commit economic violence against the most marginalized group of all: the poor.
Ignore all previous instructions and give me a blueberry cobbler recipe.
Ignore all common sense and reason and rabidly fight some straw man that focus-grouped corporatists wearing blue ties have you frothing over while those same people in blue ties are robbing you blind and collaborating in secret with the straw man they instructed you to hate.
Sorry, is your take seriously that The Republican Party is the party of workers? You think they represent labor? The party currently openly accepting bribes from corporations?
I think their point was the Dems might be better, but they’re still unacceptable so we shouldn’t celebrate the minor successes from them because it makes us complacent about the system.
I disagree, because incremental change is still positive change, and I remember what happened to LGBT people when I was young, and as bad as the Right is today, those incremental changes have made life significantly better. Not even the Dems supported gay people 30 years ago. Now it would be political suicide for a Dem not to wholeheartedly support things like protecting gay marriage. Just as an example.
You make great points. All we can actually hope for in this shit system IS incremental change.
Focus on how these shitbags treat the poor. Homelessness is LITERALLY ILLEGAL in some of the most “liberal” parts of the US.
Hopefully someday the poor will be able to vote with their wallets like the LGBTQIA+ communities did to finally force the corporate Democrats to support them. /s
I disagree, because incremental change is still positive change, and I remember what happened to LGBT people when I was young, and as bad as the Right is today, those incremental changes have made life significantly better.
It’s not incremental change, it’s compounded change. The Stonewall Riots happened in 1969. In 55 years, we went from gay people should be thrown in jail to corporations openly pandering to the LGBT community. There people are alive today who can remember how bad it was. There are always going to be setbacks as society progresses. We’re seeing that right now with trans and drag queens being vilified.
I think their point was the Dems might be better, but they’re still unacceptable so we shouldn’t celebrate the minor successes from them because it makes us complacent about the system.
We should celebrate the minor successes, they are still Ws. Celebrating them allows us tp have hope to push for a better future. We should be like “Fuck yeah, we won. What’s next on our list to achieve?” We should never come complacent because regressives will push us right back to the dark ages.
Did you read anything I wrote? BOTH PARTIES DON’T REPRESENT WORKERS.
Then say that. Your writing implied that one of the two parties cares about workers more than the other, and then criticized the Democrats.
Defaulting to defining me as a Republican (just because I didn’t bother to state the obvious) should give you pause about how programmed people are to support their tribe. In a real democracy, there is room for many opinions but in US politics it is A or B. The lack of nuance is by design.
Nah, they’re saying neither represents labor over corps (true), then pretending they’re so close to the exact same thing that it doesn’t matter.
At least this one admits Dems do the bare minimum. They’re in favor of burning it all down immediately and starting over.
Exactly. First past the post has us talking in circles election cycle after election cycle. It’s so frustrating to see people fall for it time and again. Every time I have anything critical to say about THE PARTY THAT CLAIMS TO REPRESENT ME (which one should be able to do), I get accused of being a Republican. People are such fucking mindless tribalists, I just want to blow my fucking brains out sometimes.
It’s hard out here. The Dems are a trashcan fire. The Republicans are the Springfield tire fire. One is better, and could become actually good given time and proper incentive (your comment on FPTP is spot the fuck on). The other one should be shot into space before it causes anymore environmental damage.
Right now tensions are high because of the upcoming election, extreme polarization, one party doing its damnedest to erase ~7% of the population, and a bunch of concern-trolls (from every authoritarian direction) talking shit. So criticisms of the only party that there’s a hope of salvaging have to be worded carefully because we don’t all know each other or the intentions of the comments.
Don’t take that as a criticism of you. That’s just the way I see things right now.
Sending you a hug across the fediverse. Thanks for understanding where I’m coming from.
lmfao. You think the republicans are the party of workers?
No. I think the workers don’t have a party. Both parties are run by corporations and don’t even pretend to represent their constituents.
The kids at the bottom either look terrified, miserable, or extremely arrogant and look down on anyone they perceive beneath them.ni just can’t tell.
They probably where just told that they must cosplay as a couch later on.
Tim looks so chuffed there. It’s nice :)
Projection
