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“Biden realized that Netanyahu was lying to him about the hostages,” the official told Haaretz. “He’s not saying it publicly yet, but in the meeting between them, he specifically told him, ‘Stop bullshitting me.’”
On Friday, a senior member of the Israeli negotiating team told Haaretz that Israeli defense chiefs believe Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is not interested in a hostage deal/cease-fire with Hamas. Israel’s Channel 12 also reported on a tense exchange between Netanyahu and the defense chiefs, in which Shin Bet head Ronen Bar said, “It feels like the prime minister doesn’t want the framework that’s on the table.” Turning to Netanyahu, he added that if that is the case, “you should tell us.”
Mossad chief David Barnea stressed to Netanyahu, “There is a deal on the table. If we delay, we could miss the opportunity. We have to take it.” Netanyahu, per the report, reacted angrily, accusing the defense chiefs of being “soft.”
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Could also use this pokemon meme
Now that’s a meme I’ve not seen in a long time. A long time.
Gee, what could have possibly clued Biden into the fact that Netenyahu was being disingenuous? Could it possibly have been the fact that after every time they spoke, Bibi would immediately go on-air in Israeli press and brag about what a little removed Biden is and how he’s completely in Bibi’s pocket? Could that have been a sign?!
Israel blows up the guy they’re negotiating a ceasefire with.
Biden: “Hm… I’m starting to think this guy is not being entirely honest about wanting a peace…”
the united states will continue to fellate israel until the end of time, regardless of who’s POTUS. and israel knows that to be the case, regardless of who’s leading israel. the intelligence alone is something the US will never give up. in addition to being really the US’s only reliable tentacle in the middle east
I’d argue Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan are far easier and more controllable outposts right now.
An “ally” that doesn’t listen and engulfs the region in chaos only seems counterproductive. Reliable is the last word I’d attribute to israel.
Tbh we should just switch to Cypruss. Its a stones throw away, and we’ve got great relations. Unless the island thing is an issue…
Cyprus is a great idea but it’s ownership is also contested. Turkey and Greece fucking hate that the other claims ownership. Although the former Greek section is now it’s own country, but there’s still a small turkey section. Great idea, still contentious, even if less so.
lol and what’s the difference between all those countries and israel? and why would the US send mountains of weapons and cash to israel and much less to the other “allies”? hint: it rhymes with “schmuslims.”
AIPAC doesn’t rhyme with schmuslims
it doesn’t rhyme with “the united states will fellate israel until the end of time” either, but not everything will always make sense
Over the course of the Genocide the notion that we really want israel to exist as a strategic ally has started to look extremely wonky to me.
Looking at previous history as well, I have concluded the “strategic partner” narrative is purely an excuse for israeli lobbyists. Such as the best funded lobbyist for israel
That is absolutely a factor, but there are also absolutely people who view this as an important part of American power projection. While I don’t think that supporting Israel has been making the US stronger in this era, it has historically been a key strategic location due to how close it is to the suez and global oil trade.
It is darkly funny how cheaply American politicians can be bought, meanwhile we shovel endless piles of money to Israel, which it then uses to shore up political support for continuing to send them money and ammunition.
Egypt controls Suez though. We just overthrew their government and installed Sisi as a dictator to control it. Israel had little to do with that. Same with Iraq. We use Saudi Arabia as a base.
Israel as a strategic partner is a great excuse on the surface because really blurs the line of the true motive. But in reality we now see America supporting israeli actions which are contradictory to our interests in the region (unless we really want WW3). Having a strategic partner requires that partner to obey you, not the other way around
I’m not gonna start debating you on this, I was referring to the historical reason for the occupation of Palestine, quoting Churchill:
There was no AIPAC then, unless you’re suggesting that there was some other lobbying at play.
US strategic planners wanted Israel because it’s an unsinkable aircraft carrier parked right next to the Suez (among other things). That doesn’t mean that it’s actually useful at the end of the day, but that’s absolutely the stated logic behind things.
I certainly don’t disagree that it is an advantageous piece of land. Which is why it was one of the best OG Hasbara points.
The problem is that we already control Egypt and have military bases over the entire region. Israel wants to be autonomous. We can give israel weapons but we are not allowed to control what they will do with said weapons. Whereas with other countries we just topple their regime if they don’t listen.
Then there’s Incidents such as the USS liberty. Israel tries to make America go to war with Egypt by committing a false flag attack on an American ship and blaming it on Egypt Or how israel is currently desperately trying to pull us into a war with Iran. This is not how a having an ally in the region works.
There is no denying that Palestine has great placement geographically but the amount of flak we are currently taking because israel acts like a rabid attack dog while we still provide them weapons “against our will” goes directly against israel being a strategic ally. This only leaves israeli lobbies such as AIPAC controlling our politicians as a real explanation of israel still receiving weapons.
Unless we’re trying to evoke a war with Iran ourselves, but I don’t see that as a possibility.
There is no denying that Palestine has great placement geographically but the amount of flak we are currently taking because israel acts like a rabid attack dog while we still provide them weapons “against our will” goes directly against israel being a strategic ally.
The ‘lot of flak’ the US is getting is hurting them a lot less than more concrete things like the trade disruptions due to the red sea shipping attacks. The occupation failing to keep a lid on things has absolutely put its immediate strategic value into question, that has not always been the case.
This only leaves israeli lobbies such as AIPAC controlling our politicians as a real explanation of israel still receiving weapons.
I am aware that the US government is completely beholden to financial influence, however I don’t care for the narrative being ‘the real explanation is that israel is controlling our politicians’ that’s really the reductive angle. You can point to the numbers of donations to politicians, but there’s also a tremendous power wielded by the military industries. They are often the sole or anchor employers in cities across the country and any cut to buying weapons gets framed as cutting jobs for everyday Joes. Those weapons then get gifted to people who use them on civilians.
Well the US have been busy inventing a back up for decades now.
Who else in the middle east has a sizable population that spans many countries which, in the case of independence, would conveniently destabilize the middle east yet wholely depend on the US for survival, as it would be completely surrounded by sworn enemies, therefore would have to act as a defacto US state in foreign affairs?
Anyway, we are halfway there now and the rest shouldn’t take too long
I don’t really follow what you’re trying to say. I’m not sure there is a viable backup to Israel as a client state in the region.
You’ll see liberals and fascists do this often, they try to play the same “leading question” game leftists use but it just falls completely flat since their deranged worldview instantly falls apart under any scrutiny.
Like, literally what are they even talking about? It makes no sense lmfao.
Gluck gluck gluck gluck gluck gluck gluck
I doubt it. Their spy tools have been sold. They won’t be helpful for long. As generations die no one cares. They basically maintain our nukes.
So sick of my tax dollars going to these ungrateful fucks who dishonor their ancestors by partaking in exactly what they themselves went through.
Comparing this war with the Holocaust is stupid. Even if you ignore the numbers, the situation itself is completely different. Palestinians are armed, hostile and a threat. German Jews were just harmless citizens, some even being in the German army, defending the country.
Did you really even think this through like at all?
Believing leveling the civilian infrastructure and killing vast segments of families won’t lead to further radicalization and terrorism is stupid.
Believing Israel can’t protect its borders if it actually read its own intelligence reports and committed even half the number of IDF to its 20-mile border as it did to this offensive is stupid.
Believing attacking Gaza actually resolves the problem or even deals with the larger nations feeding those terrorists is stupid.
Believing Bibi actually cares and isn’t just trying to wage an imperial conquest while trying to avoid ongoing criminal trials in Israel is stupid.
Believing executing 4 women and children for 1 Hamas operative is worth it is fundamentally stupid.
Ok, cool.
How does anything you wrote have anything to do with what I wrote? Like, at all?
I can tell you’re an expert on stupid
Palestinians will get shot on site if going outside with a knife. Settlementers keep snipers on them consistently. Not just on Gazans.
I mean, if by “going outside” you mean - “crossing the Israeli border illegally” - then yes. They will get shot on site. I still don’t see how this has any comparison with the Holocaust.
No, I mean going from their house to their neighbors.
You mean the Netanyahu whom Sarkozy and Obama called a liar 10 years ago? I mean, come on, obviously anyone with close knowledge of Israel ans Palestine knows Bibis track record – but if Obama knew it 10 years ago, then even his then-VP maybe should have known it too ???
We should back away from Israel. We have absolutely no legitimate business with them and they bring nothing to the table.
Israel offers no unique military logistics, as we already have full access to the region via neighboring installations. They offer no substantial business to the U.S. They bring only strained relations with neighboring countries, with whom we have much more lucrative business ties.
It’s time to back away from this toxic, one-sided relationship. It’s time for Israel to be diplomatic with their neighbors instead of starting wars they want the U.S. to win for them.
They offer no substantial business to the U.S.
Israel does offer substantial business to the US and that is surveillance technology.
A discussion of surveillance within Israel would be incomplete without a confrontation with political economy and the development of security technologies. Neve Gordon (2009) argues that the ‘Israeli experience’, in its various manifestations, has played a pivotal role in the formation of Israel’s homeland security industry and its subsequent transformation into a global success story. The innovations in security and military technologies developed in Israeli laboratories have also facilitated the increased ‘virtual occupation’ of Gaza since the ‘Disengagement Plan’ (Sperotto 2010). Israel’s ‘separation barrier’, widely cited as a violation of Palestinian human rights, is premised on an array of sniper towers, electric fences, trenches, cameras, sensors, patrol roads, ditches, and military patrols (International Court of Justice 2004; B’Tselem 2006; International Federation for Human Rights 2004) – a blend of technological devises and various surveillance techniques developed in Israel.
What these political-economic perspectives on surveillance offer is a ‘made in Israel’ approach to the development of security strategies and methodologies, as well as the construction of a surveillance apparatus that is deployed in Israel, the OPT, and abroad by purchasers of this know-how. The IDF’s recent upgrades to the Gaza fence is noteworthy, considering the interface between the military through the newly-upgraded Combat Collection Corps, the network of intelligence agents working within Gaza, surveillance technologies, and national security policies determined to enforce iron clad borders (Katz 2010). This provides a testing ground of sorts for military strategy, technology, and border policies that could effectively be adapted for use outside of Israel. In 2006, Elbit Systems was awarded a contract, along with Boeing, to build the security wall on the U.S.-Mexican border (World War 4 Report 2006). Because of the international public acclaim that accompanies Israel’s defence industry, Israeli-based firms, as well as foreign companies that contribute to the country’s security apparatus, such as Motorola, Elbit, Boeing and others, have become targets of the transnational boycott, divestment, and sanctions (BDS) campaign (Macdonald 2010; New York Campaign for the Boycott of Israel n.d.; The Council on Ethics 2009; Cattatori 2009; Campaign Against U.S. Terror Weapons n.d.), which constitute the central internationalist non-violent movement against Israel’s illegal military occupation of Palestinian territory and continuous defiance of international law (see Bakan and Abu-Laban 2009).
Israel tests it’s surveillance technology on Palestine, then exports that technology to other countries.
But if something were to happen to Israel, the death cult can’t continue to try to kickstart the rapture so we can go to the mcdonald’s playplace in the sky.
They are lying to you about it, they always knew
Any bets on whether this will change anything? I mean yeah, it doesn’t seem likely and the prevailing opinion seems to be “fuck no”, but I have no idea how informed that opinion is.
This specifically? Probably not just because Biden only has a few months left. But I think we’re going to see a generational change in attitude from future presidents. Israel better get their shit together before that happens.
Out of curiosity, what is Harris’ stance on Israel? I’m from YUROP and I don’t actually know very much about her policy positions
Regardless of what she is saying now as a candidate her actual policy will be the exact same as Biden’s.
She will ensure the American taxpayers continue to fund the genocide while pretending that she is giving Israel government a stern talking too.
She will also have confused pikachu face when Israel continues to lie to her once she is in office.
She says Israel has a right to defend itself but civilian impact has to be considered. Should be easy to find on YouTube.
So far pretty lockstep with Biden. No concrete signs of improvement yet just some lip service.
Her track record is pretty bad as well she fought for illegal israeli settlements.
Soon after being elected to the Senate in 2016, Harris earned a reputation as an ardent defender of Israel. She spoke two years in a row at AIPAC conferences and co-sponsored legislation aimed at undermining a United Nations resolution condemning Israel’s illegal annexation of Palestinian land. One of her first international trips as a senator was to Israel where she met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in 2017. “I support the United States’ commitment to provide Israel with $38 billion in military assistance over the next decade,” Harris told an AIPAC conference that year. “I believe the bonds between the United States and Israel are unbreakable, and we can never let anyone drive a wedge between us. … As long as I’m a United States senator, I will do everything in my power to ensure broad and bipartisan support for Israel’s security and right to self-defense.”
Who’s taking orders from who?
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Is there anything that this not doesn’t call “center left”? May as well replace it with a sticky note.
Really, Biden just noticed the lying? No way the president is that obtuse.
Another pictorial example of Bibi shitting hits pants on purpose.
CIA who probably warned him ages ago
In diplomacy it’s critical to give your allies enough rope to hang themselves.
Yeah it’s the rope that’s he’s used to kill 40,000 Palestinians I’m more worried about. If that’s a price someone is willing to pay for political calculus then they’re bad people.
200,000 according to the Lancet medical journal.
Let Iran bomb the shit out of them a few days before calling for a cease fire.
And then claim the ceasefire deal is terrible even though it gets you exactly what you claim to want.
