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Vice president and Democratic presidential candidate Kamala Harris rallied thousands of supporters in Atlanta, Georgia, on Tuesday, where she defended her support for harsher immigration and border enforcement policies. Harris compared her record to Donald Trump’s and blamed the Republican presidential nominee for tanking a bipartisan bill that would have further militarized the southern border.
Vice President Kamala Harris: “Our administration worked on the most significant border security bill in decades. Some of the most conservative Republicans in Washington, D.C., supported the bill. Even the Border Patrol endorsed it. It was all set to pass, but at the last minute, Trump directed his allies in the Senate to vote it down.”
Supporters: “Boo!”
Vice President Kamala Harris: “Right.”
Harris has touted recent endorsements by more than a dozen mayors in Arizona, a border state, including that of Republican John Giles of Mesa, who praised Harris’ backing of the failed bipartisan bill. Immigration advocates say the legislation would have further eroded the rights of asylum seekers.
“Democrat leadership”
Fascinating
Do they not tend to move towards the right during election years Mozz?
He’s pointing out that using “Democrat” as an adjective is a weirdly Republican thing to do.
Specifically, when I did some real analysis on the question, less than 10% of lemmy posters who talk about Democrats do it by saying “Democrat” as an adjective, and there’s significant overlap between those posters and the posters that are saying that people shouldn’t support the Democrats (claiming that the Democrats aren’t far left enough to deserve support from the left).
Why is that? IDK, man, it’s a mystery. I can draw a up a little diagram for you; maybe we can figure out the mystery together.
A lot of Americans even get the Democratic/Democrat verbiage wrong so implying they’re not American is… meh?
A lot of conservative Americans, yes, and almost no one else
That’s what makes it so fascinating
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Addressing the causes of the influxes (supporting terrorists/coups any time a south American country elects someone left of hitler) in the long term, and the actual migrants in a humane way by letting asylum seekers into the country until their claims can be addressed as international law requires, and providing job placement and housing all migrants need, instead of throwing them in cages.
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Except that’s not at all what the bill does, it’s spending billions increasing detention capacity, hiring more ICE agents, border surveillance, and allows the president to close the border entirely.
This is everything the republicans wanted.
No, you don’t get it. Any apparent move to the right is ackshually a move to the left because not Trump. If you disagree, it’s because [veiled accusation that you’re a scary foreigner or a Republican].
The person being nominated is considered the leader of the party. At least it has for as long asbI can remember. Number 2, while I understand she may not have said those exact words, Biden’s border bill is basically a Republican bill that only was killed to make Democrats look bad.
Tightening the amnesty and refugee quotas won’t make it better. Acknowledging that this whole border crisis is manufactured would do more.
Fox and the rest love to lie about how much asylum seekers get paid, bur will never give that money to the people that they promote are missing out.
Finally, moving to the right is normal campaign strategy, but there was no push to the left during the Primary stage. This is just going from center right to more right. Because Biden never was on the left.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/migrants-desperate-live-us-endure-inhumane-conditions-mexican/story?id=99108515
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1745-9133.12580
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/12/27/immigration-court-backlog-grows/72030952007/
There is absolutely a crisis at the border, just not the one that conservative media has manufactured.
The bill in question gave billions to ICE, CPB, US martials, and others to hire more officers and increase detention capacity.
If the purpose of the bill was to process immigrants so they could legally stay in the country and get jobs with papers and all, they wouldn’t spend billions building cages for the immigrants in the country or shut the border down, making things worse for the ones already stuck outside the border.
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I feel like this part isn’t true. Is this true? Idk, maybe it is.
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Interesting that you don’t like this
I talked way up at the top of the thread about more details of what’s going on at the border and why the bill is the way that it is. I would ask you the same thing I asked before: What should Biden/Harris do?
I linked the bill, page 64
64 SEN. APPRO.
1UNITED STATES MARSHALS SERVICE
2FEDERAL PRISONER DETENTION For an additional amount for ‘‘United States Mar-
3shals Service—Federal Prisoner Detention’’,
4$210,000,000, to remain available until expended, for de-
5tention costs due to enforcement activities along the south-
6ern and northern borders
If you find yourself in control of the machine that crushes orphans, your primary concern shouldn’t be making sure it has all the resources it needs to function.
Appoint a head of ICE who will fire every single officer and sell off or destroy every asset. Any remaining budget can be used to process claims and arrange housing/job placement for immigrants.
End all economic warfare and other hostile actions against Caribbean/Central/South American countries. You can’t torpedo Mexico’s economy via NAFTA, and ask why you’re getting a flood of Mexicans, then torpedo Venezuela’s economy via sanctions and ask why you’re getting a flood of Venezuelans, torpedo Nicaragua’s economy via coup, etc.
Ah, got it. Fair play.
He tries, congress and the courts say no because that’s not how that works. (Just as they did for way more reasonable things than this that he tried to order to have happen. That’s the whole thing with Project 2025 is to undo the guard rails that prevent presidents from simply making massive changes to the system on a whim.)
What should he try next?
He can tell the courts to fuck off, and as far as congress goes, he only needs 50%+1 in the senate to approve an appointment, and he’s more than capable of whipping that vote given that the organization that sends migrants to camps is unpopular among dem constituents.
Ah yes! I mean, you’re right; he can tell whoever he wants, whatever he wants, as Trump demonstrated. The issue is, what would happen with his orders to ICE to start doing things that were illegal as far as existing statutes about what ICE is supposed to do. And then that in the face of an order by the courts to do definitely obey the statutes.
Biden would probably be fine. He might lose some support in the election but whatever. Whoever implemented those orders would probably join the handful of Trump administration members who did the same and wound up in federal prison for it. Eventually, people would notice the pattern of their coworkers going to prison for obeying Biden’s instructions and stop listening to him. Nixon and Trump tested the boundaries of this system with varying levels of success, and a bunch of people in their orbits went to prison and a bunch more than that stopped listening to them.
So. Biden tells the courts to fuck off, people go to prison, the remaining staff do not obey his instructions as far as what ICE should do, because they don’t want to also go to prison. The border conditions remain a bone chilling nightmare. What should he try next?