yo what
I realize that this may be a ridiculous statement but I think this is finally jumping the shark for me…
you mean jumping the stark
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Looks like they jumped the snark there.
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I was one of those fanboys since the start but it lost me around black panther 2. This is one hell of a shark being jumped tho.
At least its…somewhat…better then bringing Stark back to life somehow?
“Somehow…Stark has returned”
“No, Tony. I am your father.” - Thanos
Yeah, I think the new Deadpool definitely was. Trying to avoid spoilers … I did like it but a lot of fan service, cameos, predictable gags …. This was all in previews/reviews … but it doesn’t really stand on its own
I believe that’s the Deadpool movies weakness: you’ll barely remember the movie/plot; the cameos are the best part, but they’re really not movies you’d want to watch a second time. You may watch it out of boredome, but that’s it. I watched Deadpool last night and was both entertained and amazed by the cameos, but that’s it.
I’m not deeply familiar with the lore/canon. Is there any instance in the comics that Tony Stark becomes Dr. Doom? If not, is this Marvel getting desperate with their waning popularity by trying to bring back RDJ just to straight up play a different character? That’s a new low.
I’m not well versed with lore but “What If: Iron Man: Demon in an Armor” has Tony and Victor swap bodies. It happens when they are younger so they have different paths and that story isn’t the one that is going to be told here, but… technically yes.
But also keep in mind it’s fine for the MCU to do things a little different. In Multiverse of Madness we was the “Illuminati” in a way similar to existing material, but still wholly unique. Additionally we got characters like Mordo who get new arcs and growth that differs from any existing media
While I do expect this to be a little desperate on Marvels part, they’re also bringing back the Russo brothers, I think it’s also a way to bring hype back to Marvel and the idea of the multiverse. The future is mutants and Secret Wars will be a great way to get that going so I think we’re going to speedrun it and a cheesy strat like bringing back RDJ is a way to do that.
In terms of story I don’t think they’re going to ignore that he played Tony Stark/Iron Man. If we’re going to play with the Multiverse (and we are) then a variant of Tony is fair game.
IIRC, there is a multiverse timeline where Tony becomes Dr. Doom. Considering how they’re really playing into/opening up the multiverse and with Secret Wars also coming, I’m actually really stoked for this.
So it’s more multiverse stuff that they’re desperately trying to claw back from the brink after Jonathon Majors beat the fuck out of his woman and they had to drop their new villain.
Were you really expecting less multiverse stuff after all that setup?
I’d feel better about it if it seemed to be going anywhere…
It blatantly is going somewhere with Avengers: Secret Wars.
This is the most comicbook thing ever, and you guys should chill out.
Yes, Marvel movies are bad lately, but the Infinity Saga is a masterpiece of cinema (with its very-high highs and mediocre-at-worst lows) that no one but MarvelStudios has been able to pull off. Maybe they can do it again.
Also RDJ is an amazing actor and he will very probably do a brutal job at making us all forget Tony Stark even existed.
This decision was made with the money in mind, not cinema; this applies ti Disney and RDJ, so I don’t expect a great production. Disney was desperately looking to bring the original cast back somehow, and RDJ has previously talked shit about his Marvel movies…
I see it more like in comicbook stories, where people just love a character so much that they end up bringing them back in the most bizarre way.
This is basically the meta-version of that. And I am in.
I’m not into comics, but I have read something about wolverine. The reason I avoid comics is exactly the same problem the MCU is facing: stories don’t really have an impact: theres an infinite number of universes they can write about, and even in the base timeline, they bring back dead heroes; what’s even the point?!
I’ve read/watched some content from people that would be more knowledgeable about comics/DC/Marvel saying that that’s actually one of the issues comics have been facing: their audience loves X or Y character AS IS, and they don’t allow it to either develope beyond what has been written, or don’t want to see him/her retire/die…
I don’t know if this is the true state of the industry, but watching the MCU struggle makes me believe it does: they brought back RDJ because they can’t think of a solution to the hole they dug themselves into.
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exactly the first iron man wasn’t because of money, no exec wanted RDJ lol, they only choose him because he was good fit for iron man
Not to mention I find it doubtful we’re going to see his face…like it all. I mean, it’s fucking Doctor Doom.
I hope they don’t try to tell his origine again; we’ve seen it already. There are plenty of great actors that could’ve been Dr Doom, but nooo. This is just a money grab to me.
Hopefully he does take his mask off and they acknowledge it’s some variant of Stark.
Hail Mary pass for the MCU. Seems incredibly dumb to me, but the MCU seems like it’s on its last legs anyway.
Maybe we can lay it to rest alongside Star Wars.
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As someone who is a bit out of the loop on Marvel since endgame, who are the current Avengers even?
The Avengers remain disbanded.
Young Avengers have started to team up at least.
That’s part of their problem. How do you keep the Avengers going with a different group, or have a new group that’s totally not the Avengers? I’m definitely not a fan of all the multiverse stuff - that’s where I stopped reading the comics and it’s pretty much there for the movies
That was the potential with Guardians of the Galaxy - very different from Avengers, with very different situations. They could have been something, but maybe they’ve had their run.
I would watch another Eternals movie, but I hope they’d keep it independent.
One of the biggest mistakes in my opinion. They sent him off and closed the chapter so well that it was fitting. To rip him back because they’re struggling to make anything half as decent is a cop out and tarnishes the franchise.
I understand comicbook characters die and come back all the time but the multi generational audience that was apart of that experience can never watch end game again as that emotional good bye to the last decade is now gone.
It is most likely damage control because the Kang thing was derailed due to Kang’s actor being an abuser. RDJ is now a known and reliable actor for the MCU who is able to play a character like Doom and will most likely never show his actual face on acreen. It would be like Josh Brolin reprising Cable in Deadpool now that it is part of the MCU even though he was already Thanos.
As long as Doom’s voice is modulated enough that it doesn’t sound like Iron Man it should work out fine.
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Wait, what? How is this gonna work? Lots of costume or… Is MCU iron man canonically becoming Dr Doom somehow?
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I really hate that they made this super logical and well thought out explanation of time travel in End Game only to throw it out the window with the TVA. Like, I honestly don’t mind if the time travel actually makes sense, but at least be consistent.
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my guess is alternate timeline stark born in Latveria or something like that
So, he’s Doom from another timeline / universe where he’s not(?) Tony Stark but Victor von Doom, a genius inventor who creates a suit of power armor to rule over a small country with high tech secrets (Wakanda/Latveria) and there’s no Stark in that universe, it’s just a What If remix merged into the MCU main timeline?
This is weird
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Will that lead to a new, actually good Marvel vs Capcom? Because MvC Infinite did as well as these more recent movies.
Huh? Huh.
The time we faced Doom…
