Remember when the Democrats had both congress and the presidency twice? Remember when the Democratic party kept promoting extremely conservative Democrats that beforehand constantly voiced their opposition to progressive policies, over their progressive enemies? Remember people like Joseph Lieberman? Remember Jay Rockefeller, who was the deciding vote for the ACA who suddenly reversed his pro-public healthcare rhetoric and opposed it he said because “the timing wasn’t very good”? Remember what they did to progressives like Jamaal Bowman? You know, putting all their resources into George Latimer (a blatantly pro-wealthy, pro-corporation, pro-Israel conservative) to get Bowman unseated, making it the most expensive house primary in the entire history of the United States? Remember the Democrat party leadership frequently donating tens of millions to centrist non-profits whose sole purpose is to get centrist/conservative candidates elected over progressives, and act as a “spoiler” for progressives in the party? Remember Democratic Party leaders infamously going on to work lobbying jobs time and time again when they leave the party? Remember when Obama and the Democrats could have gotten progressive Supreme Court judges in despite Republican opposition, but they just lied down and accepted not doing that in the name of “compromise”? Because I sure remember.
The Democrats constantly, intentionally, pump millions into blue conservatives which they can use to block leftist measures and use as the scapegoats to point to as the reason they couldn’t get anything done. They always have a bunch of people to spare to block bills which are “too progressive” that they don’t actually want passed. They ARE responsible for this shit.
Leftists have good reason to be absolutely pissed at the party. They know they’re the only “left” option, and they abuse the FUCK out of that. Blue Dog Democrats even existing is a sin in and of itself.
Why would the Democrats do this? As with most things wrong with the American democratic process, the reason is lobbying. Corporations lobby the Democrats seemingly just as much as the Republicans to ensure they don’t take away too much of their power. Shit’s fucked.
The fact that you have the audacity to blame progressives or leftists for being mad at the clear lack of democracy and the messed up stuff the Democratic party does to block important bills & candidates is so fucked up, holy shit. People are starving and dying because of the Democrats actively working against progressives in the party. Them giving us a few crumbs of good does not absolve them of intentionally absolutely fucking us over again and again. The party isn’t the friend of progressives, they’re just the “only choice”. I can only hope that the upcoming elections change that, and we don’t just get a dozen more obstructionists who the Dems use to block any vaguely center-left policy.
I’m sure voting for Republicans or not voting will help though right? Lol. I live in a state that’s been controlled by Democrats for a while and we keep voting for more and more progressive people. Things are objectively better and they’ll keep getting better.
I’m sorry that the entire country isn’t a socialist utopia after the Dems had tiny majorities in the house and Senate for one term and an even slimmer one another time. Both times with those majorities made up of vulnerable representatives in conservative areas. Turns out that’s how democracy works. It’s slow and that sucks but Republicans have spent 40 years grinding us towards fascism. Fascism is way easier to push as well.
We have to vote for the most progressive candidates possible. They all have to win big so they don’t have to be scared of being unseated by moderates or Republicans. We have to keep doing this from the local level to the federal level for a long time for things to change. Because if that’s who gets voted in consistently then the Republicans and the Democrats will move left.
40 years since Reagan and you’re over here crying that the Dems didn’t change the entire momentum of the country in 4 when they didn’t even have a clear mandate from the voters? Pathetic. You are the problem. Get some perspective and have the decency to spend an hour or two to vote for the most progressive candidates available which is the absolute easiest and least thing you can do. I know it’s slightly harder than crying on the internet. Sorry about that.
I’m sure voting for Republicans or not voting will help though right?
Stopped reading after this. You are a dumbass. I never even implied this. It takes about 5 seconds of looking through my profile to see that I borderline shill for voting for the Democratic party. In fact, if you read even just the last sentence of my comment, you should immediately realize that I was wishing for Democratic candidates to win these upcoming elections. You need to learn to think past a binary “full dicksucking of Democratic party = good, pointing out that Democratic party is fucked up = anti progressive Republican voting tankie and bad”. Please grow up.
I felt like I already made it obvious enough, but in case I didn’t: the Democrats are the only choice. They’re the better choice. That doesn’t mean that people like you can start crying about leftists being too harsh on the party when people point out how much the Democratic party has intentionally fucked us over time and time again, and the leaders of the party effectively completely block enough dedicated progressive leaders from actually being elected to make the differences that people vote Democrats in for. This process isn’t “democracy”, this is sacrificing the wants and needs of the voters for personal financial gain. It’s evil, and it’s cruel. They are causing an incredible amount of suffering and death. It’s not that the Democratic party “can’t” do it, it’s not that they would lose voters if they did it. These are literally the things the Democratic party as a whole campaigned on and put on their agenda each time, the voters explicitly expected them to follow through on the policies they ended up intentionally not passing. It’s that the Democratic party is extremely corrupt regardless of how you look at it. The way the party is run would probably be illegal in most of the first world. The fact that the “alternative” is borderline Nazis doesn’t make them the hero of the story, or undeserving of being torn apart by criticism. When the Democratic party as an organization stops spending millions to fuck over progressive politicians which otherwise would have won elections, and stops killing their voters because of lobbying from healthcare corporations, fossil fuel corporations, AIPAC, etc. then they’ll be deserving of the benefit of the doubt when it comes to these situations.
I’m sure voting for Republicans or not voting will help though right?
What a coincidence! I stopped reading after this too. I’m not gonna look through your comment history prick. Fortunately I didn’t write that for you because you’re obviously too stupid to understand any of it which is why you pretended not to read it. I wrote it for anyone else that might be confused by the trash you’re spewing. Can’t wait to not read your next 5 paragraph essay that’s just full of lies and insults. Have a great day!
“Lies and insults” LOL taking the MAGA stance I see. I literally just stated historical events and factual information. The fact that you apparently believe the party isn’t incredibly corrupt and a sucker for lobbying money is worrying to say the least. It’s not hard to look up basic information on money lobbying; the site even shows you how much each specific pharmaceutical company, university, bank, investment company, and much more is investing into all these Democrats! A lot of familiar names on there, no? And guess what – plenty of these conservative/centrist Democrats were heavily promoted by the party over actually principled progressive Democrats which were as (or more) likely to win! Are you going to decry that as “fake news” too?
You know you have no argument when “you’re a leftie who won’t vote for Democrats!!!” doesn’t work. That’s precisely your entire stance, “Democrats are better than Republicans so you’re wrong because you think voting is useless”. You literally crumble apart when you see that other people can both realize that the Democratic party is fucked up and realize that the only option is voting blue. It just doesn’t match up with your worldview. I’m sorry you can’t take even a bit of your own medicine, I get that you love throwing around insults, but if you do that you gotta learn to take them instead of immediately starting to whine and complain about other people insulting you back.
Take it down a notch there …. But let me relate it to everyday politics. My state is deep blue, Democratic Party’s best friends. So why don’t we get any live on election years? Why are we basically ignored? Why is all the campaign money spent in swing states? Why do they campaigns there and we don’t even have a tally to attend? The Democratic Party is focusing on the centrists and swing voters, not us.
No. You don’t get to tell them to take it down a notch. Their position was being ridiculed, by people who were ignorant of contemporary politics, and they rightly set things right.
Because it gives them an excuse to pass policy that favors their donors under the guise of “electability”, even though time and time again, it’s been shown that triangulating yourself to be one inch less bad than the republican loses elections over and over because it demotivates your base when they vote for the candidate that will do X Y and Z, and the candidate passes republican policy instead.
Do you think the democrats didn’t pass free healthcare in 2008 because they genuinely believed that there’s a big population of centrists who enjoy paying money and dealing with health insurance and will vote them out if they get free healthcare? Or because they got and continue to receive billions of dollars from the industry?
Remember when the Democrats had both congress and the presidency twice? Remember when the Democratic party kept promoting extremely conservative Democrats that beforehand constantly voiced their opposition to progressive policies, over their progressive enemies? Remember people like Joseph Lieberman? Remember Jay Rockefeller, who was the deciding vote for the ACA who suddenly reversed his pro-public healthcare rhetoric and opposed it he said because “the timing wasn’t very good”? Remember what they did to progressives like Jamaal Bowman? You know, putting all their resources into George Latimer (a blatantly pro-wealthy, pro-corporation, pro-Israel conservative) to get Bowman unseated, making it the most expensive house primary in the entire history of the United States? Remember the Democrat party leadership frequently donating tens of millions to centrist non-profits whose sole purpose is to get centrist/conservative candidates elected over progressives, and act as a “spoiler” for progressives in the party? Remember Democratic Party leaders infamously going on to work lobbying jobs time and time again when they leave the party? Remember when Obama and the Democrats could have gotten progressive Supreme Court judges in despite Republican opposition, but they just lied down and accepted not doing that in the name of “compromise”? Because I sure remember.
The Democrats constantly, intentionally, pump millions into blue conservatives which they can use to block leftist measures and use as the scapegoats to point to as the reason they couldn’t get anything done. They always have a bunch of people to spare to block bills which are “too progressive” that they don’t actually want passed. They ARE responsible for this shit.
Leftists have good reason to be absolutely pissed at the party. They know they’re the only “left” option, and they abuse the FUCK out of that. Blue Dog Democrats even existing is a sin in and of itself.
Why would the Democrats do this? As with most things wrong with the American democratic process, the reason is lobbying. Corporations lobby the Democrats seemingly just as much as the Republicans to ensure they don’t take away too much of their power. Shit’s fucked.
The fact that you have the audacity to blame progressives or leftists for being mad at the clear lack of democracy and the messed up stuff the Democratic party does to block important bills & candidates is so fucked up, holy shit. People are starving and dying because of the Democrats actively working against progressives in the party. Them giving us a few crumbs of good does not absolve them of intentionally absolutely fucking us over again and again. The party isn’t the friend of progressives, they’re just the “only choice”. I can only hope that the upcoming elections change that, and we don’t just get a dozen more obstructionists who the Dems use to block any vaguely center-left policy.
I’m sure voting for Republicans or not voting will help though right? Lol. I live in a state that’s been controlled by Democrats for a while and we keep voting for more and more progressive people. Things are objectively better and they’ll keep getting better.
I’m sorry that the entire country isn’t a socialist utopia after the Dems had tiny majorities in the house and Senate for one term and an even slimmer one another time. Both times with those majorities made up of vulnerable representatives in conservative areas. Turns out that’s how democracy works. It’s slow and that sucks but Republicans have spent 40 years grinding us towards fascism. Fascism is way easier to push as well.
We have to vote for the most progressive candidates possible. They all have to win big so they don’t have to be scared of being unseated by moderates or Republicans. We have to keep doing this from the local level to the federal level for a long time for things to change. Because if that’s who gets voted in consistently then the Republicans and the Democrats will move left.
40 years since Reagan and you’re over here crying that the Dems didn’t change the entire momentum of the country in 4 when they didn’t even have a clear mandate from the voters? Pathetic. You are the problem. Get some perspective and have the decency to spend an hour or two to vote for the most progressive candidates available which is the absolute easiest and least thing you can do. I know it’s slightly harder than crying on the internet. Sorry about that.
Stopped reading after this. You are a dumbass. I never even implied this. It takes about 5 seconds of looking through my profile to see that I borderline shill for voting for the Democratic party. In fact, if you read even just the last sentence of my comment, you should immediately realize that I was wishing for Democratic candidates to win these upcoming elections. You need to learn to think past a binary “full dicksucking of Democratic party = good, pointing out that Democratic party is fucked up = anti progressive Republican voting tankie and bad”. Please grow up.
I felt like I already made it obvious enough, but in case I didn’t: the Democrats are the only choice. They’re the better choice. That doesn’t mean that people like you can start crying about leftists being too harsh on the party when people point out how much the Democratic party has intentionally fucked us over time and time again, and the leaders of the party effectively completely block enough dedicated progressive leaders from actually being elected to make the differences that people vote Democrats in for. This process isn’t “democracy”, this is sacrificing the wants and needs of the voters for personal financial gain. It’s evil, and it’s cruel. They are causing an incredible amount of suffering and death. It’s not that the Democratic party “can’t” do it, it’s not that they would lose voters if they did it. These are literally the things the Democratic party as a whole campaigned on and put on their agenda each time, the voters explicitly expected them to follow through on the policies they ended up intentionally not passing. It’s that the Democratic party is extremely corrupt regardless of how you look at it. The way the party is run would probably be illegal in most of the first world. The fact that the “alternative” is borderline Nazis doesn’t make them the hero of the story, or undeserving of being torn apart by criticism. When the Democratic party as an organization stops spending millions to fuck over progressive politicians which otherwise would have won elections, and stops killing their voters because of lobbying from healthcare corporations, fossil fuel corporations, AIPAC, etc. then they’ll be deserving of the benefit of the doubt when it comes to these situations.
What a coincidence! I stopped reading after this too. I’m not gonna look through your comment history prick. Fortunately I didn’t write that for you because you’re obviously too stupid to understand any of it which is why you pretended not to read it. I wrote it for anyone else that might be confused by the trash you’re spewing. Can’t wait to not read your next 5 paragraph essay that’s just full of lies and insults. Have a great day!
“Lies and insults” LOL taking the MAGA stance I see. I literally just stated historical events and factual information. The fact that you apparently believe the party isn’t incredibly corrupt and a sucker for lobbying money is worrying to say the least. It’s not hard to look up basic information on money lobbying; the site even shows you how much each specific pharmaceutical company, university, bank, investment company, and much more is investing into all these Democrats! A lot of familiar names on there, no? And guess what – plenty of these conservative/centrist Democrats were heavily promoted by the party over actually principled progressive Democrats which were as (or more) likely to win! Are you going to decry that as “fake news” too?
You know you have no argument when “you’re a leftie who won’t vote for Democrats!!!” doesn’t work. That’s precisely your entire stance, “Democrats are better than Republicans so you’re wrong because you think voting is useless”. You literally crumble apart when you see that other people can both realize that the Democratic party is fucked up and realize that the only option is voting blue. It just doesn’t match up with your worldview. I’m sorry you can’t take even a bit of your own medicine, I get that you love throwing around insults, but if you do that you gotta learn to take them instead of immediately starting to whine and complain about other people insulting you back.
Take it down a notch there …. But let me relate it to everyday politics. My state is deep blue, Democratic Party’s best friends. So why don’t we get any live on election years? Why are we basically ignored? Why is all the campaign money spent in swing states? Why do they campaigns there and we don’t even have a tally to attend? The Democratic Party is focusing on the centrists and swing voters, not us.
Why is that?
No. You don’t get to tell them to take it down a notch. Their position was being ridiculed, by people who were ignorant of contemporary politics, and they rightly set things right.
Because it gives them an excuse to pass policy that favors their donors under the guise of “electability”, even though time and time again, it’s been shown that triangulating yourself to be one inch less bad than the republican loses elections over and over because it demotivates your base when they vote for the candidate that will do X Y and Z, and the candidate passes republican policy instead.
Do you think the democrats didn’t pass free healthcare in 2008 because they genuinely believed that there’s a big population of centrists who enjoy paying money and dealing with health insurance and will vote them out if they get free healthcare? Or because they got and continue to receive billions of dollars from the industry?